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Playing every angle is fine, but I don't like the quote, "I'd rather send a hundred guilty man free than jail one innocent one."
That logic CAN'T work in a game that's winning consists promarily on numbers.
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So says you. You've yet to provide evidence for very strong logical reasoning to this. Why are you so concerned with this right out of the gate? Why not give me a chance to prove if my play style is going to help or hurt the town? Seriously as this point its almost starting to sound like you simply think the only way to play Mafia is to play like you.
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Yet, there's always the possibility of a weak case against a mafiate and a strong one against the townie. I've proven for a fact that I can pull it off.
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So? Are we just supposed to take your word that its some horrible crime to take a step back in these situations. We may save a townie or we may save a mafaite but in the end we might find a clearer target. For instance if it was a strong case against a townie and I did somehow manage to convince people to spare them then we'd have a whole new list of people to look at. If its a weak case against a mafiate I pick apart then as I mentioned we never had much reason to have a majority vote for him/her anyway. But then again someone will still get lynched and we'll still get information. So the net result will be the same anyways.
If it causes the loss of a townie then woops but we've got the same chance of doing that without me interfering. This really shouldn't conflict with your play style as you've already stated that you aren't to very worried about killing townies. As I see it being aggressive like you like seems to have about the same chance of accidently axing a townie.
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Ahem. Numbers. I'm not against looking at all sides, as I do it all the time. I'm against your quote I state above.
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And yet you still haven't really given and indepth reason for this stance. Its really hard to refute things stated like that.
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Says the man who misworded how he'll look at every side and take the weaker one.
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I stand by what I said and how I said it. I said I'd lend support to the weaker side not that I would exclusively lend support to the weaker side. You chose to read it that way and I have since elaborated on it an attempt to dispell that misconception.
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You're a bandwagoner. You just said that with a hint of eloquence. Bandwagoning=Bad.
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So now taking all possible time is bandwagoning and bad. Regardless of intent that really sounds bad on your part. I fail to see how waiting till even 1 minute till the deadline hurts anyone at all or how delaying a decision is bandwagoning. Why does it matter if I vote the instant someone comes up with a half-way decent reason?
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You'd be hard pressed to be more vocal than I am.
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I have no idea how you could have read that like you did. I was saying I was stating more directly how I felt about seeing all sides and you weren't. I was acknowledging the fact we have a similar out look but you just seem to have a problem with the speed at which I act and how I word things.
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Indecision=Bad. I'm not overly rash, but waiting so long until it's near deadline or when the stakes are high is bandwagoning and that's a bad thing, now isn't it?
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Let me copy paste to make a point here:
So now taking all possible time is bandwagoning and bad. Regardless of intent that really sounds bad on your part. I fail to see how waiting till even 1 minute till the deadline hurts anyone at all or how delaying a decision is bandwagoning. Why does it matter if I vote the instant someone comes up with a half-way decent reason? Reasons would really help.
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Bull. I don't put my personality into this game. Do you think I'm manipulative and this cutting in real life? No, this is how I play a game, Sith.
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And that right there ties into your personality. Like it or not you can't just flick off who you are for a game. Its always going to leak through in small bits. Which is where I'm coming from here.
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Out for blood? You think I'm doing my best to get people killed? No, I'm playing the game and voting keeps the pressure up, so I get better answers and more to decide on. I'm being decisive enough to get the answers I need and sure, I WOULD sacrifice 2 townies for one mafia, because at that, we'd win, wouldn't we?
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Sure we'd win but how can we be sure your method will guarentee us that we hit a mafaite every third lynch? Heck how can we be sure that we won't lynch someone that can help us through a role or simply playing well? It's not entirely unreasonable to think that way but its also important to have someone mmoderate that drive so that there is at least the possibility of catching a mistake. I'll be depending on all of you to catch my mistakes as well.
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You took my play style and made it look completely bad and then took yours and made it seem more profound. Make me look bad with the words "Out for blood." and you look good with the words "Measured approach to things".
That plays against the human psych, those words. You're trying to be manipulative against someone whose entire career in mafia has been one of manipulation. Bad. Move.
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I've mentioned in Newb's game how manipulation is intergral to every single role of this game plain townie or not. Also, I'll direct you to pretty much every post that you've made the mentions me. They pretty much all make me look negative and thereby make you look positive. Why is this suddenly such a big deal when I turn the tables? In fact let me see if I can find some examples:
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I'll Vote: Sithdarth just for being so anti game starting as he was and to get things REALLY moving. (Yes, I know he claimed to be playing the Devil's Advocate)
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Yup, somewhere to go. This coming from the antagonist facing off against the protagonist. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Does to me. But I'll agree the point if only for the fact that the game does need to move.
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That's all well and good, aside from it's not. Neutrality is completely town forsaking, you know. Always taking the weaker side? That's not good...Oh no, see, that means at some point you'll take the mafiates side when we've got them cornered. That I can't condone, you know.
You're saying that you're playing all sides and that's a used mafia tactic, bub. In the last game, it was Silly Kitty. She played on everyone's side to avoid much conflict against herself or to always look good in the worst of times.
As far as these forums, guess where this originated from?
Me.
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The staying on people's good side part...I can see your point, but I just don't agree with it. If you're on EVERYONE'S goodside, then you really can't contribute much to the town, unless you're trying to steer clear of, oh, say the vig and SK if you're mafia. Same goes for if you're SK, Vig, PO, BG or CL and you're trying to stay on the good side of killing roles.
But for a townie, getting on everyone's good side seems to take away from any effectiveness you could have towards the town, aside from just being another positive number.
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Yeah...But in this case, we lose if you do that.
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That's a problem, now isn't it? You can't be a good guy to everyone, since that will soon lead to you being bad, Mr. Morals.
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Now to move on:
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You take your time until you can badnwagon! Marvelous! /sarcastic
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Again I fail to see the reason behind this bandwagon thing you keep accusing me off. Sure I want to wait until the last minute but that isn't automatically bandwagoning. Ok so there will already be a lot of votes before I decide to vote but that's implicit in taking all the possible time. With people like you leading the charge I see no reason to lead myself. Besides if we all did that we'd only have one perspective.
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Not as fast as possible. I seem to be giving you time and others to state what they want, don't I? Your words, my mouth. Not a good mix.
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Sorry about that but now we've both done it. So its a rather poor place to hang a theory as it would implicate you as well.
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Also, you've been making me look completely wrong and yourself some justified paragon of playing apptitude. You're sending my playstyle to the extreme and keeping yours in a steady light. You're trying to make me look bad. I don't appreciate that, since you've not stated any reason for me to be bad.
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Again that's basically all you've been doing to me this whole time. Also, its kind of my job to protray myself in the best possible light. Part of that is you'll come off looking less than squeaky clean. As for not appreciating it well tough it hasn't exactly been making me all happy. Also this point makes you seem like "keeping the pressure on" is alright if you do it but not alright if I do it. So how exactly would you have me play if I can't play like me and I can't play like you?
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Originally Posted by dojindog
While that may seem all noble and nice and what not that doesn't work as well in Mafia because you have to vote quickly else the mafiate's will get you.
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Except that the mafia can only get you at night and the longer you delay night by discussing the longer you live. Now if being all "nice" makes me a target than so be it. Its not like being aggressive and mean doesn't do the exact same thing. So once again its a catch 22 I just took the road less traveled.
Oh and please for the love of god read all that it took forever to type.
