While B_real came up with a good defense I think I should still rebuttal


I accused Roy of being suspicious because he was stating the same facts just after they were alread mentioned which is slightly spammy (in my eyes) and yes I tail'd Mesden around for a while I know I shouldn't do that but Mesden's ideas seemed really easy to follow at 1:00 in the morning.

Evidence doesn't make things confusing but hithishiishianisexamplehi sure as heck is (in my opinion) this is what Roy was doing except not on near as annoying scale. (if you can't read that try taking out the hi's)

I said earlier that I didn't mean for you not to put any thought into your vote. What I'm trying to get across here is vote when you first feel like it is right to vote.

B_real was right on target with her assumption on why I hate to side with Mesden and, as I said earlier I sided with Mes because at 1:00 in the morning her ideals were easy to follow I know it's a really bad defense and I hate to use it but it's the truth.

This is exactly what I'm trying to say!

I could understand that point of view if he was actually being voted for on our words (Mesden's really) but I wouldn't be worried about an authority figure trying to throw me in jail if he had no evidence (people voting for me).

Rebuttal'd enough for you? :)

Hey, everyone. Sorry for chiming in so late here. I've been trying to follow the thread for the most part, but things have been pretty hectic over here. My grandparents' anniversary was over the weeked, so we've been kind of rushed.

That aside... I don't know Roy's level of experience, cause I'm just a nub myself, but still... He does seem pretty suspicious by this. Seems like selective memory. Not worry about who's attacking him, just who he's after.

Of course that's just one possibility... still, I don't like how the conversation just ended in

He admits understanding of suspicion and then the case drops?

I'm not saying anything by this, I'm just saying shouldn't we not leave a stone unturned?

Well. No-one would explain why they thought my forgetting a name was suspicious until Mesden mentioned it. I wanted to know. I wouldn't have immediately jumped on someone because they forgot someone's name. It was an accident. Those things happen when it's real damn early in the morning.

Roy, I did explain it to you. Go back and look. Those were my reasons. Mes just put what I was trying to say in simpler terms.

I was under the impression by someone this wasn't your first game. I don't think I was being too harsh I think by telling you these things and pointing them out I am making you a better player.

Well except no. No, you didn't.

and

Those are the two posts you offered up in explanation. Those are totally different from Mesden's explanation. You said I was changing facts. What you said was closer to what sk3l3ton said, and Mesden and sk3l3ton are NOT similar in any way.

WEEEE! I'm a girl now! I'm gonna go touch my newly formed girl lumps now. TEE-HEE ^.^

Actually, I'm a guy. I can see how my avatar can confuse some. It is only one of the coolest girls EVER in anime, but still, its EXCEL! How could you deny her awesomeness?

Haha, are we having more identity crises here? :p

This right here would be me explaining that I thought it was a tactic the mafia would use. I'm sorry it didn't come out so clear for you but that is what is was. I didn't confuse names so don't act like I did. I did offer you more advice than Mes did, but Mes did just explain it to you simpler.

First off, I would like to say Roy, while you my be new, you should be more careful about getting your info straight. It can come back to bite you, and I have seen it happen. On that note, I Unvote: Roy but I will still keep an eye on you. Just in case. Now, with that over I will say that, Dojindog, I've had suspicions about you for a while, but I was busy with Roy. Now that Hax mage has posted, and you responded, I'm going to see how this turns out.

Edit: Dang, this Mafia should be renamed Mafia: Ninja'd edition!

No. That's different. That's closer to what sk3l3ton said. Your post indicates nothing about my feigning innocence/ignorance to make myself seem less important.

Yes, but it did say about you accidentally getting the facts wrong to make yourself look innocent and that is what Mes said. I'm sure my post was related to sk3l3t0n's but I wasn't talking about him. Trust me, I know what I was trying to say in my post.

NO, you did not!


Well so do I, but no-one seems to believe me.

Roy, the point is we can't believe anything anyone says. A simple mistake can be used against you. That is how you play mafia.

I'm sorry you didn't get what I was trying to say but I know Mes did and I know she made that post to help you get it because you didn't get mine. My point is I did give you an explanation and when you were asking for it two had already been given.

Edit: After thinking about my explanation might not have been the clearest one in the world. I will try to explain things better to you next time. Anyway, I don't think you are scummy and I am not going to vote for you.

He She it's all just extra little bits on the internet.

Okay, cool. See, you may not be able to tell, but I'm not smart. I need things spelled out easy, monosyllabicly if possible.

Ok now what?! First you say your not smart then you use a word like monosyllabicly I have never heard of a word like that either you created it or you kinda jus lied in that post:sweatdrop

If we seem hard on you Roy, don't worry. You genuinely seem suspicious to me.

Though, while I would've made a joke about me being similar to SK, I'm the one that's been pressuring you mostly, so it's not a surprise you'd get us mixed up.

And besides, who wants to picture SK when they can picture me?

Damn you dojindog, agreeing with me all the time. Although I still don't like your innocent people aren't going to make mistakes because they're innocent.

Unvote: Dojindog

Now to scower through this thread again.

Monosyllabic-consisting of only one syllable. I was using the word to invoke a feeling of irony.

I'am Not agreeing with you /joke

We've been drilling Roy really hard as of late but he has been posting which is more than can be said for a few people. Not posting a lot is just as suspicious as posting a large amount and I noticed Ogrianes hasn't really posted more than just 1 post (if there has been more and I missed it sorry) so I'm gonna have to FoS:Ogrianes.

First, I would like you to spell my name correctly, because it annoyes me when people keep misspelling it.

[serious]
Ok, I haven't posted much. Once in fact. It's just that right now I have little to say. I am trying to figure things out right now.

Okay, going back over the thread after Ogianres was mentioned, I saw his post. You know why I was killed in the first game I was in? Being too helpful. You wanna know what my role was? Townie.

Back in that game, I was trying to organize a lot of information, so I could assess what was going on. I felt that I might as well help other people too, so they could assess what was going on as well. So, y'see, using their helpfulness is not a method of deducing their role.

Apologies on spelling your name wrong I was using Garud's list for reference.

It's a good thing that your putting thought into your actions but right now we have very little to go on so it would be nice if we could hear what your views and opinions are because right now I believe we are at a deadlock.

I disagree. It should be used but not as a sole reason. It should just be considered suspicious unless there is prior evidence. FoS material basicly.

Why should being helpful be suspicious?

Because if you're being helpful by bringing out the information, you have control over how you present the info. So, you could make someone's completely innocent actions look tainted.

I don't think it alone should be used though. Something to back it up is better, because...well...Fenris's case.

First I would like to say that my internet connection will be sporatic for a while, because my family is having construction done on our house, and our only internet connection is in the room that they are fixing.

Second, being helpful can be viewed as suspicious because if it looks like you are helping the town, then it looks like you are searching for the mafia and the town wouldn't want to lynch you. But if you are the mafia, you could just be twisting everything in your favor and since it looks like you are helping the town wouldn't want to lynch you.

EDIT: Fixing the grammar and wording. (Bolded was the words I changed)

Since we seem to be getting into the persecuting low posters phase, I'll put out my opinions of people and see what everyone has to say.

SithDarth, you're looking a little scummy to me. You spent page upon page saying that you're always going to try and defend anyone, which sounds to me like a Mafiate trying to to some pre-emptive self defense for when they unsuccessfully defend one of their fellow Mafiates.

Mesden, I'm not really suspicious of you, but if SithDarth turns out to be Mafia, I'm going to have to suspect you too, on the basis of you two having eaten up huge amounts of space with a minor arguement, which could have been a Mafia plot to keep us distracted.

Therein lies the problem. They could genuinely be helping the town (Like in Fenris's case). With no evidence other than "you're being too helpful," it just becomes a game of WIFOM, since you can't tell what their intentions are. You need more than that to make a solid case against someone.

You do know this is really going no where right? You can't even sign up for this game without engendering suspicion. Arguing back and forth about if a particular action is suspicous isn't going very far.

As for Roy you really shouldn't use the "I'm a stupid noob" defense. One we have no idea if you've played outside the forum and telling us you haven't is just as trust worthy as saying you are not mafaite. Two telling us you are stupid makes you dangerous. Stupid people can be much easier to manipulate and convince other people of things. Of course you could generally not be thinking well enough not to make those mistakes.

Thats about all I got at the moment.

And we all know distractions are bad! I mean, who wants to distract people from thier goal? MAFIA! Remember what KP did in SOL Mafia? He posted lots of pictures in what he said "was an attempt at humor" but it may as well have been him trying to get himself lynched so 2 townies could die with him. That isn't something yet thats out of the realm of possibility. Its very possible since we have secret roles and such. Now that isn't something you'd be trying to do, would it Sithdarth?

EDIT: Ninja'd by Sithdarth. This really should be called "MAFIA: Ninja'd Edition". I'll see what I can do with the mods in changing the name ;)

As for the actual Edit- DAMN Sithdarth. Never thought that he might have actually played this else where...I retract what I said about him, and everyone else who qualifies, being a nub and letting nubs be nubs on the first day.

Double Edit: Before we do ask a mod to change the thread name, do we have a consensus on changing to Mafia: Ninja'd Edition? And do you agree with it Garud?

I wasn't using it as a defense, really. I was saying I was dumb because, well, I am, and that's why I didn't understand Kitty's explanation.

OMG when do you people sleep? I go away for ONE DAY and you guys make 13 pages? And it seemed like there were new pages apearing as I read! It's crazy!!

Now that that's out of my system, let's play catch-up.
Dojin, as fellow Mafia game player, I present.....EVIDENCE.
Well, this post, right here, is my second post, yet ye don't FoS me. Now your next post is gonna defend yourself against my mighty FoS: Dojindog because otherwise I might change the FoS to a vote. Not yet, I disdain unessecary (damn no apple spell check.) voting. Just seems wasteful and suspicious. I defend this by pointing to Silly Kitty in whatever the latest non-inexperienced mafia game was. (I believe basic; I'm not checking because I'm
using Apple which, while in some ways is superior, still sucks in my book. But I disgress. Moving on.) SK abused the vote and got lynched. And, Similar to Mes and Sith's arguement, you'll say something similar to "He's just saying that because he's trying to play everyone's good side. Blah blah blah..."

Other than that, thank the gods that Mes and Sith's prattle is over.

Edit.: to remove an unwanted smiley.

See that's a defense. Pretty much anything you say to explain yourself is a defense. Heck darn near anything you say that's not about someone else is a defense in some form. That's actually a nice way to hide a defense really.

Excuse me? I've never been lynched in a mafia game before. I think you are referring to Catlover. Can no one check their facts anymore?

First off while it's on my mind I'd like to take the time to Unvote: Sithdarth that vote was made on bad ground and I wasn't thinking straight apologies Sithdarth.

Secondly I'm not abusing the vote I'm using the finger which does not mean much more than saying "Hey you! What you're doing there yeah that is suspicious to me." I've voted once total so there is no need to talk to me about abusing the vote.

and finally Ogianres's case just stood in more recent memory than yours did so I picked Ogianres. It was just a case of being in the wrong place at the right time.

Also I applaud your skill in starting off aggresively as I've said before that's the way the town wins

Lost me. Who are you refering to there?

This post, MoM.

I think it's Demonlink.

EDIT: Add my name to the Petition to Have This Game Renamed "Ninja'd Edition".

Facts are for people who aren't willing to be wrong. Sorry!
taken because it is true. "Bad" memory is bad because we can't tell wether or not you really suck at doing your own postcount. Because facts are for people who can't be wrong.
See above.
Expecting resistance, yeah, but applause? Not expecting that.

I'll deal with this last

I'm not completely sure how my example of what a FoS has to do with bad memory I'd like some explanation there.

You just kinda almost contradicted yourself there it's mildly confusing.


Okay you just completely and totally ruined almost your entire offense because you mixed Silly Kitty and Catlover up (what with the bad memory and all) and, by telling us you're not willing to use your sucky computer to even bother looking up your evidence before you made your case. They got onto Roy earlier for not paying attention.

Hey, don't say They like you weren't involved. 'cause you were, sir.

I got onto you about posting semi-irrelevant information Roy or at least that's what I meant by my mention of suspicious activity.

Well that sums up the mafia game quite nicely don'cha think?

Well anyway, from what I can tell we have come to a few conclusions:

Stupidity is not an excuse.
Silly Kitty isn't Catlover.
Facts are not opinions.
This is a game of opinions.

Besides that, I got nothing. So I will just leave my vote still with my gut feeling attack, cuz really, there isn't anything for me to add right now.

I personally have nothing left to argue of the people that I'm suspicious at the moment without getting someone too mad.

So, my lynch vote is staying. I also have some projects to work on, so while I'll be keeping track of the game, I probably won't say anything unless I feel I really have to.

Speaking of voting and the like Garud can we get a post count? (or at least just a thing on who's voted for who).

Post Count!

-Newb - 2
-Ecurt - 15
-B_Real_Shadows - 9
-Steel Shadow - 3
-Silly Kitty - 22
-Inbred Chocobo - 3
-Sk3l3ton - 3
-Ogrianes - 2
-Sithdarth - 20
-Catlover - 1
-H4x m4g3 - 3
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-Neyo the King - 5
-grth wllms - 4
-The Space Pope - 0
-Roy D Moylet - 42
-Crazy Ben - 1
-Daisuke - 2
-MOM - 3
-Demonlink2 - 3
-Thundergod Cid - 2
-Dojindog - 19
-Fenriswolf - 6
-Darthmauler64 - 1
-Mesden - 26

Well, what I got out of it was:

Stupidity is not an excuse.
Silly Kitty isn't Catlover.
She also isn't Ecurt.
Mesden isn't sk3l3t0n.
B_real isn't a girl.
Facts are not opinions.
This is a game of opinions.
Dojin and Demonlink are going at it.
Ecurt has nothing to do.

But, all jokes aside, I am SERIOUSLY looking at dojindog. He acts like he knows the best way to play and that just rubs me the wrong way...

I think that dojin meant a Vote Count. But kudos on counting those.

YARR.

Ah. I revoke my kudos.

Fenris! You weren't suppose to tell my secret!

You lose cookie privileges!

Wait... so I am voting for the only person who has yet to post? Someone send that guy a reminder or something. I would, but then theres the whole possibility that someone will accuse me of outside communication about the game so whatever.

Okay Okay wait just a second you voted for someone who hasn't even said anything yet?! Are you even aware of how horribly suspicious that is?!

Can Garud send a message to the inactive player? That'd be a pretty neutral way of settling it.

We have been over this. Everyone told me to just go with it because apparently IC's good at guessing these things.

albeit, Inbred Chocobo did vote for Spacepope when a good bit of us haven't yet posted. Not exactly suspicious. IT IS suspicious of spacepope for not responding yet, but thats a different matter all together since it doesn't seem like he's been checking this thread, but has been on today. So...either he isn't participating because he forgot, doesn't want to play, or doesn't know how to respond to such an accusation.

Well, you can't be good at guessing, seeing as it's a term based sheerly off luck, whether you feel it in your gut or not. But he IS voting for the only primary lurker, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

He did so here and admitted to a lack of evidence for it. Interestingly, you also responded to it here, so I'm not sure why you're acting so surprised now.

I have to admit, dojindog's responses to my gut have been what has kept my vote there, just to see how he would react. Seeing him go on again about a vote thats been there and has been commented on by him again is just a bit to far for me.

I just hope I am right when I do this.
Unvote: Thespacepope
Vote: dojindog

I had my eye on Roy too, but he wasn't as jumpy as dojindog was, so lets go with dojindog.

I asked a question this time. Back then he mentioned that it looked scummy. I'm just asking him if he knows just how scummy it makes his vote look.

Edit: Ninja'd
I like the SpacePope and even in a mafia game I find it hard to just let a friend go undefended. That is why I responded as I did before.

But why did you act so surprised? Your wording of the post made you sound like you were shocked, rather than asking for clarification as you now claim.

And never ever ever ever ever ever base your action on who you like. People's personalities have no bearing upon what role they get.

NOT THE COOKIE PRIVILEGES!!!!!

I am so sorry, can you ever forgive me?

Also! This incident with dojin just feels wrong...

I think it's just a person who doesn't know how to play. That's the vibe I get off him. But, that's not an excuse. He could be a Mafia Master for all I know, so I'm not gonna use that as my reasoning for the FoS: dojindog that I am levelling at him.

Dojindog, please explain your reaction.

That's not what I meant for my wording to sound

I know that I shouldn't base my action on who I like but even if I didn't like him I'd have a problem with leaving anyone behind if they hadn't had a chance to defend themselves.

This is the kind of aggresion we need good job!

except that we know for a fact that he's been online TODAY. Not 3 hours ago even. And he still hasn't posted in this thread.

EDIT: And here's the post to prove it too. http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpo...&postcount=371

Not only is that his post today, 3 hours ago. Its also a post within the Forum Games section. So, we atleast know he's paying SOME attention other threads that are near this thread. I'm going to say that he forgot he signed up for this.

What do you mean we? I didn't know that.

Well now we do know. But it brings up a point he should be here. If he doesn't want to play we need to either kick him or he needs to tell us. I demand answers, or something.

He was the 15th person to sign up. The thread started on the 10th of June. The actual game didn't start till 2 weeks later on the 14th of June in having the 3 night roles (Mafia, BG, and PO) implicate their actions. And then the actual playing part didn't start till Monday. I say a little over 2 weeks is a good bit of time, and its not like we haven't had people who forgot they signed up before now have we? I think we should have someone send him a reminder. *AHEM GARUD*

FOS: Fenris

You forgot to mention I'm sexier than SK. If that isn't suspicious, I don't know what is.

For the love of Christ...

God, I am going to get lynched because of this, but comon people vote! You all are just sitting around Fosing each other. (Which means fingering ovaries sexually actually.) But thats just being a panzy. Its true the best weapon the town has is lynching, and that we need to be careful about it, but if you won't vote for someone in the first 23 freaking pages, then that really brings a wtf to the mind.

All in all, I really think that we need to think of someone to vote for, but I'll let you guys decide who it is.

I'm going to Vote: Dojindog because his acting surprised that IC voted for Space Pope, coming so soon after he's attacked, seems like he's trying to shift suspicion.

I think Ecurt just fucked up Roy's mind just now.

I want to say that you should vote for Roy because he seems to have no sense of humor.

Instead, I'll vote for Dojin as well. Roy does still seem suspicious to me, but he wasn't nearly as chaotic as Dojin, and I'd like to see the first day over to see if we can get any more clues.

Unvote: Roy
Vote: Dojin

Fuck it. I sent a PM to Space Pope to grab his attention. I know its against the rules, but the least I'll do is tell you EXACTLY what I wrote in it.

So if he doesn't post in here by the time he either gets booted for inactivity or lynched due to inactivity, I won't feel guilty. Not one bit.

EDIT: and if youre wondering what the topic of it was. It was "NPF MAFIA". This way he knew what mafia I was talking about. ;)

I'm going to Vote: Dojindog For pretty much the same reasons and I don't want to waste space reposting them.

Damn, I was hoping to get here before everyone started voting for dojindog. That way it wouldn't look like a bandwagon. I haven't liked his actions since the beginning but I couldn't find a good way to word it, so I kept my mouth shut.

But anywho, Vote: Dojindog

Can someone give me a list of reasons they are voting for Dojindog? I haven't really been paying much attention to him. Thanks.

I'd Vote: Dojindog myself but it wouldn't do any good /jioke

Ok I'll admit it I forgot that I opposed IC's voting SpacePope. I just didn't want to say anything because I just got done running Demonlink2 down because he forgot something.

Edit: Apologies I accidentally put in a smiley

'Kay.

Vote: dojindog

Inbred's right. All of these FoS's are leading nowhere.

Wow, if that didn't sound like a bandwagon, nothing does, but I too believe that dojindog is guilty...

Hey don't worry, I'm the one driving this wagon around. I just hope I don't go driving off a bridge in flames or something really.