He stated it was a secret role, so therefore the regular, non secret PO role is out there still.

I never woulda thought that the role that my name was assigned to was Unlynchable. I feel special.

So, we got the CL and a Mafiate? We're off to a pretty good roll start. I can tell why Dojin wasn't worried about being lynched though...

Thing EDITED out in strikethrough.

When I saw Dojin's secret role I thought "well he's dead". I thought that the mafia would hit a known townie. Known townies can be a large threat to mafia, not to mention someone they can't get the town to waste a lynch on. I can only wonder why the mafia went for somebody else.

Isn't it obvious?

The bodyguard would probably protect Dojin since that would be the obvious Mafia plan. If you think about it, it wouldn't be worth the risk to try to kill Dojin right now anyway, since he offers no extra advantage other than being a known townie.

Heck, they might even take out a role, like Roy. Granted, Roy was technically a "bad" role, but...still.

Probably didn't hit Dojindog to try and get a role. And it seems like every person hit was a role so they definetly got thier worth.

I highly doubt they hit Roy. Probably would have expected him to make a few more newbish mistakes and could have had him lynched instead. As for the other two...I say the vigilante hit Steel Shadow and the SK hit Roy cause of the way Roy died. The mafia has a ban hammer. They don't burn their victims...atleast not from what I can tell according to how deaths have gone so far. What I want to know tho, Why would the Mafia kill Silly Kitty?

Edit: I fucking hate you, Ecurt. Stop ninja'ing me! >.<

I'd assume this would happen, honestly.

The BG would protect him because a known townie is a nice thing for the town.

Since he's BG bait, the mafia didn't want to hit him. They chose someone else instead.

The Cult most likely wanted Dojin because they run off numbers and an unlynchable is powerfully good for them. But with only one recruit and the Cult dead again (I personally think it's a shame that the game lost such an interesting variable so soon) early on means it's no longer a threat.

The BG most likely DID protect him, which if he basically had to. And though it IS SillyKitty's regular playstyle, she took the route as town buddy, being cautious and hesitant to vote for anyone the same way I did as the first ever Cult Leader.

(I find it funny that I was the first Cult Leader AND the first Mafia Don XD)

I'll not fault Ecurt to vote for leading the charge gainst Dojin just yet, but he's on top of my list for the reason, though.

I'd be suspicious of me too. Let's face it, I led the charge against two townies, voting for them both. Let's not forget that the mafiate said that "I was a very pursuasive man" and agreed with me before voting for Dojin.

Hell, I even brought up an argument against myself, lashing out at SK with what seemed like a meaningless attack.

What defence do I have? I gave legitimate reasons for all of my attacks, and there were more than a few townies that agreed with me. Of course, maybe that means I'm just a really good Mafia/SK.

Well, christ, I've never seen your rep message before. Disco-style aura? Really, what?

OK. So Ecurt lead against Dojin? I never really looked at who started it so this helps out. I'll keep him on my list.

A Mafiate and the CL? Damn. This is like one of those nights in Basic. I forget which. XD And for the record, to add onto B_Real's guess on the hits, it said that Kurosen said "We got one" implying that the town got someone. Vigilante.

Wow. Just wow, sk3l3t0n. You missed that several page-length post I made? You weren't paying attention to who started it? Technically, IC was the first one to cast a vote, but then again maybe you just didn't care.

Now, while I may have convinced some others to vote, it should be noted that the vote post occurred before I made my persuasive post. And while I may have gotten on SK's case on why she didn't vote because it would look like a bandwagon, you indeed seemed to bandwagon, because you didn't clearly explain your reasons at any time; simply agreed with someone else.

Now, other people have done the same, but you yourself seem to have not payed much attention at all; you just voted when it would be convenient to knock someone else out.

You're right, I didn't pay attention. I'm fucking addicted to World of Warcraft and it is making my lazy. But that's no excuse, I admit. I should have looke back, or not said anything at all. But you know what? That can't be changed. And you yourself said you lead the charge in the post above me, and now you make it sound like I'm retarded for even saying such a thing.

The next paragraph is for why I think you quoted me, I'm sitll not exactly sure why, though:

And really, I've wanted dojin gone since the beginning, like I said. I've just had a bad feeling about it. OK, I was wrong. I'll admit that, but it doesn't mean that my reason is is to be passed like I said nothing. We don't know who's who, like EVERYBODY has said. People vote for gut feelings, like I did. Not just when it was conveniant to knock someone out.

The difference is this time, sk3l3t0n, because you didn't say anything until you voted we don't know if you were suspicious of him since the beginning.

And I did lead the charge. I didn't start it, but I led it by being the first one to extensively post his/her reasons. There's a difference, you know.

That makes more sense. Sorry, I misread. I'm not exactly the best at quick analyzing. :rolleyes:

I figured that came from the "I didn't like his actions from the beginning." Another apology for getting on you for something I screwed up on. :stressed:

It's okay, man. Trust me, I'd never call someone an idiot without a good (or funny) reason.

Of course, that still means you're my main suspect.

Ok this is a longshot but I think I know who the Mafia Don is. I think its Catlover. no seriously. Hear me out here.

Catlover was lynched day 1 in the last game (Mafia: Basic) by who we now know to be his fellow mafiates. They set the whole thing up for him to be lynched on the very first day. Of those mafiates, we have 3 confirmed ones and 2 unconfirmed but very likely to have been CmP and TWWDI. the 3 CONFIRMED mafiates we have now are Catlover (lynch revealed), Silly Kitty (revealed herself to us in here) and Fenris Wolf (same as Silly Kitty). Now, TWWDI and Silly Kitty are both dead, by Mafia (assuming I was correct in my assumptions on the killings).

I also beleive that Fenris Wolf will be the next to be killed since CmP isn't in this game and Fenris has no actual motive to kill his former mafia buddies. Catlover does. He was given away by his mafiates for the first day lynch, and he probably didn't like it one bit, and he's been given a chance to kill them this time and he's exacting revenge. Yes a mafia vote does require that he have atleast a majority vote, but he could always be telling them who thier gonna kill and they might just not care who the kill is, so long as there's a kill.

So, as of now I'm going to

VOTE: CATLOVER

Okie, Arlia Janet and Kurosen both have more rep than I do, and krylo is probably not far behind, and fifthfiend isn't that far behind either.

But I personally think, and I know I'm gonna get jumped on for this, that it really kinda was a town decision to lynch me dojindog. I even tried to kill myself him too.

All him being me jokes aside, I'm gonna go back over the thread once I get more sleep.

EDIT: TWWDI and CmP were the other mafiates. Catlover wished us luck and told us to go to hell, so I'm kinda inclined to agree...

That's suprisingly sound. The fact that two members of the previous mafia DID die, that'd put Fenris on the list. Honestly, I think he may be don more than any, because then he chooses and killing off these players could be a grudge.

But, there's the fact this is completely circumstantial in the fact that the ONLY defense is, "I don't have a grudge." and that won't hold to a seemingly strong accusation, which this can't be as you're applying someone's UNCONFIRMED feelings into this.

I'll not vote someone just because they MIGHT have a grudge over a GAME. He may have been upset at first, but that's little grounds for a lynch.

So yeah I'm innocent I wanna say I told you so but I kinda didn't (at least not directly) so I won't and I'm alive with more emphasis on the alive part y'know because like it was said earlier I figured I would've been slain by the mafiates or converted by the cult.

Wait so would Fenris be considered suicidal y'know because she did try to kill herself... /joke (sorry Fen couldn't resist).

So would the cult be gone now or would any move by the CL still count? I suppose it doesn't really matter either way but if for nothing else but piece of mind I'd really like to know.

A)I am suicidal, and it's one of the reasons I lived so long in SoL: Mafia.

B)I'm a guy.

EDIT:C) I already made that joke.
EDIT:
There is now 1 initiate. The cult can't win anymore, s/he'd have to lynch everybody else, but there'd still be a tie at the end, even if they survived.

Wow, B_Real, that makes a suprising amount of sense. And not 1 a.m. sense eigther. However, I'm going to wait until I see Catlover's response before I even consider voting.

On a side note, I'm worried someone might have my name. Its probably the SK (the role), since, you know, it has the word "Crazy" in it. Please take good care of my name, whoever has it!

you're not the only one worried about thier name being used. I want to know what my name is being used for. I'm assuming regular townie Since I don't recall doing anything special enough in any of the games to warrant my name having a role.

Well now, I started an attack on Dojin, it bandwagons out of control thanks to Ecurt, not that it mattered because he's unlynchable, The mafia killed the PO who would have screwed us anyways, and the SK and the vig did some good for a change. Not bad for day 1. Now we must begin targeting the mafia. We all want to destroy them, and we all think catlover is mafia because of a previous game.

Now then, even though this is a game where everyone's supposed to staart with a clean slate, we can't forget the fact of Catlover's possible grudge due to previous encounters. Now then, I won't make a move because Catlover deserves a defense. Catlover, if you would?

Edit: To finish the post.

Dojindog thinks EVERYONE's a girl.

Thank god I can switch my allegiance back to town now that the cult leader's dead, ey?

I'd like to say I'm not buying into B_Real's grudge theory, either. Personally, I can't imagine someone possibly throwing away this game because of something that happened in an earlier one.

So, here we are, with 1 mafia down, the cult basicly out of commission, and an unlynchable townie reviled. Nice night for a Mafia game, huh?

So, anyway, as to B_real's post, I really wish I knew what you guys were talking about. But, seeing as it is apparently about the last Mafia game, which I haven't read, I guess it's alright that I'm in the dark about it. But, I think I get the basic gist of it. Something about catlover being annoyed at the old mafia, and wanting to kill them, or something...

I'll sum it up for you Neyo- In Mafia: Basic, catlover was Mafia, and was lynched the first day, with the initial accusations and charge against him being led by the other members of the Mafia, so later on they could deflect accusations by saying "I can't be Mafia, I led the charge against catlover, who was Mafia!" So far, the two people the Mafia has whacked were both Mafia in the last game, so B_Real thinks that catlover is the Mafia Don, and is killing them as payback.

Of course, B_Real could be the Mafia Don, and be trying to set catlover up. You never know.

Actually, we weren't gonna say that we couldn't be mafia. At least, I wasn't. I was just gonna let the fact that I practically led the charge against catlover speak for itself...

I'm tempted to agree with B_real, but only because I'm involved, and I'm not gonna let that get the better of me.

EDIT: I was rereading the thread like I said I would, and I came across this:

And now we know her role. That amuses me, but it's completely off topic.

For the record, I'm not going to be here for the next few days. Won't be able to contribute anything. I'll be inactive for that reason.

Wow, cool. The cult effectively destroyed and one of the mafiates dead. That was an awesome night. Having a confirmed townie now is nice too.

That's a really wierd but intriguing idea you've got there, B_real. In a twisted way, that kinda makes sense. I'd like to hear what catlover has to say on the subject.

To everyone stating "That was an awesome night." (Nothing against anyone personally) please stop. We get it, playing the innocent, happy person and handwagoning the sentiment.

Enough already. I'm half tempted to vote one of those people, as it's a fairly annoying town statement. We all can read the post and restating the fact that "YAY MAFIA AND CULT DAED HOOAHAHAH!" is IRRELEVANT.

Christ, peoples, get over it.

Reading back, I think he does hold a grudge, but I'm not sure. He did tell me to go to hell after he died, so, I don't know what to think about this. All he has to do to claim his innocence, is to not kill me overnight tonight, and then we'll go: "Ah, catlover's innocent!" but if it's not him who is the don, all they have to do is kill me and we'll blame it on cat, lynch cat, and kill a potential townie.

Which is why the whole idea is irrelevant. I think my post implied that.

Which is why I believe that it's not enough of an argument to vote for him. It's just something to look at.

I'm sorry but that statement there is what struck me as odd. It looks like your trying to cover up the fact that you waited till the last minute to vote for him.

But... B_Real's theory is quite intriguing too. Catlover, unfortunately for him, strikes me as the kind of person to go for revenge. Though there really isn't much more I can add to it than that. And the fact that its near impossible to defend against that, I am a little hesitant to vote. But, since I do it all the time, I might as well

Vote: Catlover(Insert numbers here)

Yeah, so you agreed with me after stating CIRCULAR LOGIC. Just...don't ever state circular logic...

Gotcha.

I'm saying that if cat is the don, then I live if he wants to prove his innocence. I'm saying that if cat isn't the don, then I die to falsely accuse cat. Of course, cat could use that as a veil, and that is where the circular logic comes in. Another game of WIFOM we are playing.

I understood where the logic came from, you know. That's why I mentioned it. =P

Also, it's sad, but here's why I throw a wary eye towards his voters.

You vote off a flimsy, completely speculatory stand point whose ONLY defense is, "I don't hold a grudge."

will that change your vote? It's ALL conjecture, people. Now we almost HAVE to vote for him, and should he be townie, B_Real, you are almost indefinitely mafia.

Want to know how I get to this?

You kill Twiddy, knowing he was mafia from the last game. Then you kill SK. After that, you take the initiative to bring up a point that leads to a dangerous circular logic point, meaning the entire situation is dangerous, off of conjecture.

It's a fairly beautiful mafia plan, using past sentiments that may lie there to manipulate the game with conjecture, but it also leaves you in a bad spot.

But what be another view?

Catlover turns up mafia. Oh, and B_Real had such a far fetched plan that paid off! Town hero, indeed! We all know the upcoming outlook here, sacrificing mafia and all.

It's a nearly lose-lose situation for you, B_Rea, after what I've stated. You're playing your cards too heavily with the vote.

This conjecture has no real defense and when Catlover gives a statement, it really can't persuade anything unless he just seems more appealing than B_Real. This vote is only viable in the line of getting one or more people killed.

Vote: B_Real

Starting a vote off conjecture EXUDES scum. You set up a circle of possibilities, all being dangerous to the town and involving much death. I honestly think you are doing no more than setting up Catlover, as I've had the idea of setting people up through these kind of pivotal points and conundrums, and the last time someone ripped my ideas (Last four times, actually) they WERE scum.

Get over yourself.

As far as any real leads go, I am going to have to say that b_real Has a good theory, makes a bit of sense. Really though, I want to hear what catlover has to say. Also at this point I am hesitant to point a finger at fenris, mostly because it doesn't jive with me. Gut wise that is.

Edit: 43 posts later I am still on the fence about b_real's theory, I want more meat. However it is not worth voting for him.

Impossible!

What is there to say? "I don't hold a grudge." is the ONLY viable response, as it's a vote made of conjecture of how someone may still feel.

Guts are bad. Icky and stuff. But to each his own.

It IS worth voting. He's using the most scummy tactic ever, and I GAVE you the reasons why it was so horrible.

Conjecture does not make any premise here and replying to it is pointless. Had I not caught it, he'd be in the clear still as everyone seems to like his theory.

That is an interesting theory Mesden. Very interesting idea. But I would like to bring up a point. The mafia could be doing all this, but what if B_real was a townie that picked up on the plan to vote for Catlover? That way the mafia would just have two townies out in the front to be voted for, with both arguements hitting either one of the other?

Unvote: Catlover

Yeah yeah, my votes changing, people think thats how a mafia acts, going with whats strong. Get the hell over it.

Now there are a couple other things to consider about B_real before we vote for him. First, he was one of the first to state his joy for killing the cult and mafia but sad and puzzled about the PO death.

And has anyone noticed the amount of jokes and other pointingishly fun things he points out or says? Laughter can get you on people's good side, but he seems to be overdoing it.

And he also was going for Dojindog a bit earlier, with his interests in H4x m4g3 accusations against him earlier.

Not a lot in each of their own respects, but when combined all together with Mesden's accusation, you kind of have to wonder. So this is why I will now...
Vote: B_real

First off. I was the first poster after the deaths. I didn't exactly think about who killed who right away. I just saw the deaths, also, by asking the town who killed who, its fairly easy to see a mafiate slip up if theres too much information given out by someone. I was merely trying to hope for a mafiate to slip up a little. And you know what? My theory of who killed who last night was basically just about 100% proven that the Mafia hit Silly Kitty last night when Fenris told us that the other mafiates were infact CmP and TWWDI. As for the other two, I'm forced to assume Roy was taken out by the Serial Killer because he died. He wasn't banned. He died.

So sue me. Its not my fault I'm trying to get on peoples good sides. Maybe I want to live and humor is a damn good way of doing it.

Actually, I beleive my reasoning for voting for Dojin was to keep the SK and Vigilante from wasting thier effort killing him tonight since he would have died by one of them (most likely the Vigilante) if we hadn't lynched them. Here's to letting the Vigilante go after the mafiate instead of Dojindog the Unlynchable.

Well sorry for pointing out my case in such a way that makes it what it is. It is pretty damn convincing ain't it? basically what you're doing now about me.

Except, Why would I want to kill twiddy? We all know how he plays. His playstyle usually ends up being a plus for the mafia, not a negative. Same goes for Catlover.

Would you look at that! We agree! Hell, I even said that before you pointed it out.

Why yes, it does appear to be that way. But now, had I been a mafiate, I wouldn't be betting so much on this would I? Or could it be that I'm just trying to get him to say something thats actually...I don't know...GAME RELATED!

Do you read the posts? He was banned.

B_real, you've harped on him not being banned for a while, but you never went back to check?

EDIT: On an unrelated note, the SK's name is PyrosNine, I believe. He has a form called Asheth, with a large wooden mallet and a tendency to set people on fire.

Your case is a point of conjecture that only goes through by killing MANY in the way. *Cough* SCUMMY *COUGH* That makes EVERY OUTCOME dangerous, should he live. It's not being convincing, it's presenting a bogus charge, seeing as you like to misread what I say.

Like right here...

Do you even read what I type?

Heyo, THAT'S WHY!

I'm questioning why you voted for him. The only reason I can see to vote for someone is if you think they're mafia or to get an answer. His answer is purely pointless and your reason to think he's mafia is CONJECTURE. Notice that word. I use it a lot, huh?

And here you state that you're trying to get a response out of him, so that throws any sense of LOGIC out the window. Allow me to quote this post.

Edit: Bah, misread...

You know, I just wanted to quote this because of the big assumption that he made recently. And let's face it, it's a big assumption.

Seriously though, catlover has made one, and just one post since he returned two days ago.

I find it hard to believe he's innocent, just from that one post. However, we do know he wasn't around during the start of the mafia game (assuming, yes, assuming his posts in the PA thread are truthful), so he probably didn't orchestrate the plan that B_Real said he did.

To Fenris:
hehe ^^. the way I understood it, was he was put through fire, and thus died along with his banning. :D

To Mesden: So you think I had this all planned out from night one? LOL! thats just crazy Mesden. If I was mafia, you'd be first to go. But you weren't. I'm going to go with the idea that we have Amateur mafiates doing this. Hell, I make a pretty convincing arguement (agaist Catlover), I probably wouldn't need to be the mafia don to control the mafia's whim. Just the same as you wouldn't need to be the don to control the mafia you were with.

Remember last game? You are capable of mistakes. We all are. never have I said I'm 100% sure that Catlover was the Mafia don EDIT: Or mafia for that matter But I'm extremely close to it.

Also, you keep rampaging on about me having this scenario set up with alot of deaths happening. Who else have I convicted of being suspicious other than Catlover. All I said was Fenris Wolf is probably the next victim. And yes, If I die tonight, then so be it. Town's not exactly losing anything killing off vanilla townies other than an extra member of the town. Whoopdeedo!

You have also done and set up the EXACT same scenario here. Replace a few names, change the situation a little and there we go. I end up Mafia, you're seen as the town hero, and you probably won't get lynched. I end up innocent, its fairly obvious you're mafia trying to get townies lynched. Only difference is, you can save your own neck better than I can cause you're better at imposing your opinions on others.

Catlover can wait a day. We haven't gotten his side yet.

UNVOTE: CATLOVER
VOTE:MESDEN

EDIT:

To Ecurt. The game started Saturday morning soon after Mesden said she'd join here, which was VERY early in the morning. Twiddy's leaving post is here . The game probably started somewhere around noon since we can't be sure since Garud deleted the game startign post. We also don't know if the Mafia was the last to send in their vote. It could have very well been the PO or the BG role we were waiting for to start the game.

B_Real, quote me when you answer, since it's a bit hard to get what you're replying to.


Yes, we all know it's IMPOSSIBLE to have a plan at the beginning of a mafia game. Wait, no, that's a load of bull.

And you'd kill me first? I'm touched, since that was the entire reason I was debating quitting mafia (People killing me off at first just because I'm me). But this is just your word, which may or may not be a lie. So that holds NO bearing here, buddy.

Amateur mafiates? How? You think Catlover is a mafiate and he is NO amateur, being in a few games already.

The argument isn't convincing to me (And IC, apparently). I stated why it's not. A whole lot. So saying you are is laugh worthy in my eyes right now.

You just haven't taken time to THINK about my posts and you're getting the wrong message, something I've stated already.

Heck, that's just because people think I'm some uber mafiate! I don't need to be convincing, people would just follow what I say and not second guess it.



...Which doesn't change the fact. You're not 100%, oh no. You're only 95%. That doesn't change ANYTHING I'VE SAID.

I'm tired of you not really reading my posts. I stated how it was a dangerous conjecture. If he's lynched, it'll lead to a plethora of possible townie deaths and misoccruences. It was stated earlier in the thread (I don't think the actual possibilities were stated by me, but ehy enforce what I meant.)

I NEVER said you casted doubt on anyone else and now you're putting words in my mouth. Ahem. Scum=That.

Vanilla Townie Roleclaim. Yeah, a bit overplayed and pointless. Stop trying to make lite of the situation.

Don't respond to my post with chopped up, hard to sort through and understand dribble. I want you to take my last post and put the points I had down, since I know you're missing a good bit. I'll not respond to the rest, as I don't know where you get it from.

Respond to me correctly so I can fully get what you're saying. Here, I'll even link my post for easy access.

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I find this funny since you're so close to 100% sure he's a Mafiate, BTW.

I have a few things to say:

1) Not nessicarily. During Basic, the mafia killed grthwllms who hasn't played mafia before. Then in this game, the old mafia mentioned that their plan was to make it look like they wern't experienced mafia by killing him. This could be the mafia's plan again.

2) Even though CatLover might not have much to defend himself with, I still want to hear what he has to say about the revenge thing. I probally won't vote him soley on the revenge theory though.

3) Hopefully I can post more soon. The construction workers plus summerschool cuts into my internet time.

How do you know that? Did I miss the memo or something? Also wouldn't that mean that burn marks would point to him? I'm kind of confused by what you're saying.

It bears little relevancy. The role of the Serial Killer is assigned to a name, much like my name was unlynchable. And I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing.

you want it cut up. ok. here you go.

Happy? well, you better be. I prefer to reply to posts as a whole and go from there, thank you very much.


hmmm...maybe because I'm as far as I know, My Catlover Accusations are a longshot. My accusations against you on the otherhand are FAR more likely. Trying to get the first townie to notice the Catlover guilt and get him ousted for the very reasons you have set up. Yes, you may be Uber Mafiate and I don't put ANYTHING past you. Just seems like a brand new strategy of yours to get people lynched without drawing suspicion to yourself. Kinda like in the first mafia you had mafiates vote for another mafiate, and have the town beleive that mafiates wouldn't vote for other mafiates. Now we know they do that, and we're more careful.

What I see you doing now is having the mafia set up a scenario so perfect to set someone or people up that it WILL lead to MASSIVE amounts of deaths.

Lets have at it Mesden.

EDIT: Pyrosnine is probably very likely since Pyro means fire and the victim was burned in fire. Pyro=fire=Serial Killer=Townie killer. Lets have a round of applause shall we :D

I hate to interrupt, but what the fuck?! You're the one who started this whole fiasco, and you're blaming it on Mesden!?

That is just ridiculous. You started the post with "the former mafiates who scorned catlover will die", and then when Mesden says that "No, that might not be the case, it might be your idea", you go and blame it on her?

Could you bring some common sense into this? That's like saying 2+2=Ice cream.

B_real, why do you keep alternating between saying that your accusation of catlover is a longshot and saying that you're close to 100% sure that he's a mafiate?

Because from what I can tell I'M sure. Yes it is a longshot. But so was IC's vote in the first game based on guts. Wasn't that also a longshot that got a mafia killed that he was fairly certain of. I'm almost certian that my longshot of a premise on Catlover is correct.

Actually, the person he voted for in the first game stayed alive throughout the game.

To Cid:Because from what I can tell I'M sure. Yes it is a longshot. But so was IC's vote in the first game based on guts. Wasn't that also a longshot that got a mafia killed that he was fairly certain of. I'm almost certian that my longshot of a premise on Catlover is correct


To Fenris WOLF: because now I feel like I got caught in one of Mesden's traps.

ALSO! Thar be no SK! Remember it was decided before the game started and it was even removed from the list of roles. I fear we have 2 vigilantes in our mist...or a secret killing role. I just noticed.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Fenris. Not removing DOuble post.

DOUBLE NINJA'D EDIT: Still doesn't change the fact that he was Mafia does it?

Has catlover even posted yet. Honestly I want to know what you are basing this on.

This is the only post he has made in this topic since the game began.

My assumption on Catlover is from Mafia Basic. He only posted once in the actual game to find out if he died yet or not.

Yes because we all know that since one person guessed right at some point then all people that have every guessed after that point must have a higher chance of being right. Wait a second...

As for the two case they both hold a grain of truth but neither is all that very strong. However, Mesden's does have more support in that we have B_real's reponse to it as well as more posts from B_real with which ti analyze the situation. Now this does make her side stronger but not absolutely correct. It does make it seem more reasonable though.

So you are basing this on another game?

Ummm....What?

That makes no sense....that game has nothing to do with THIS one.

Oh spacey holy one, please read this post.

It sounds like you missed it.

Yeah, but Garud said
Bolded and Italicized for emphasis.

I know that you can use that as evidence. I am just questioning the validity of the claim. There is no real reason to do that especially when catlover has not made post 2 I believe. And thank you O master mage, that post gave me a better idea on the methedology. I am still waiting for catlover's response.

I never said I was right. I'm just fairly sure of it. And this isn't exactly a guess or a shot in the dark like IC's was in the first mafia. This is somewhat more of an educated guess.

B_Reall, I believe your theorem has one fatal flaw in it. Catlover isn't here.

Unless Catlover left explicit instructions to the other mafiettes on who to kill next, then the fact that Silly Kitty died last night should have no bearing on wether or not Catlover is mafia. And even if explicit instructions were left, can we trust that the mafia followed them, unless they were trying to cast supicion upon Catlover and hoping that a townie would take up your point of reasoning.

Ughh this circular reasoning and double logic is making my head hurt. The point is I find your theory illogical.

And just for the record Twiddy and CMP were the other two mafia-members in the last game. They coughed up when the game was in its death throws.

Here he is. Post number 255.

you were saying?

EDIT: oh and to that last part, Fenris already told us that.

And we haven't seen any action from him since.

You were saying?

oh I know. I just wanted to show that he did atleast have SOME activity in this thread. Remarkably in time to see the end of the day and get that night role in.

Not... really...

He posted the day he got internet access back, to check to see if he was still in it. We finished attempting to lynch dojindog that same day. He got back in time for the lynching. It's not like he was hiding on the computer going, "They're about to lynch that guy, I'll pop in to see if anyone notices."

I mean, come on, he had no internet, and I don't see a motivation to lie about it. The night ended on the 29th, yesterday.

Really, it's just him getting back before the day was up. Can't try to kill somebody for coming in the door a bit late.

WAY LONG BACK NINJA'D EDIT:
No, but it also doesn't change the fact that you don't have all of your facts straight.

But it started on the 28th. and AGAIN, we don't know if the Mafia were the last ones who sent in their role.

EDIT: Also, we know not whether he is lying or not in the PUBLIC Announcement Thread. Could be a ploy to keep suspicion off him.

So stop assuming some such, also I did edit my post above you to target another one of your edits.

Honestly, I bet you never thought you'd face this much opposition from me, did you? I'm the one who's in trouble if you're right, so why would I oppose you?

Because I think you're wrong. You claim it's a long shot, but you also claim to be "almost 100% sure of it being true", as Thundergod Cid pointed out.

And trying to blame it on Mesden earlier, which you never really answered why, makes you look incredibly scummy. Claiming you got caught in a trap that was hers, (but really isn't, it's just your idea that backfired) isn't an answer. Answer all of the post, not just the parts that are convenient.

EDIT: Bullshit. I sincerely doubt he would lie in front of the entire forums just to lie here. If he was going to lie here, he would.

You know what, I've decided to defend B_Real.

Honestly, I don't think he's Mafia. A gut feeling tells me this is so, and it has never been wrong when it tells me that someone is innocent. He's made a couple of mistakes in his posts, and he's only making more with everybody pressuring him about it over and over.

In fact, I'm so sure that this feeling is right that I'll offer myself up to be lynched before he goes to the stand himself. Even if you think we're both mafia because of I'm defending him, I suggest you lynch me first.

Heck, I was more suspicious in the first place.

Bah I got my facts backwards, replace Silly Kitty with the Wizard Who Did It, and the original point becomes established.

As for the possibility of B_Real being mafia I don't think so, not yet at least. However I don't believe (at least not yet) Catlover to be mafia, either. And so far the only thing my gut is saying is observe a little longer.

TO Fenris: you're in danger now? Hell, I would think I saved your ass now if anything. If Catlover is the mafia don and he is targetting for payback, you'd be next. If Catlover is paying attention he probably won't go after you now. I don't care if youre opposing me now. All I care about is saving a townie from being mafia killed. Especially one whom I suspect can help the town greatly.

IF I had the BG role, I'd have kept my mouth shut, let the day take its course, protect you at night and Pin it on Catlover then. But I couldn't. SO I pre-emptively did what I did.

Again, I know its a longshot, and yes I am fairly certain its a correct longshot taken at Catlover, he is the mafia don. You ever take any risks? This is basically what I'm doing. I'm taking a risk at catlover because I beleive he is the mafia.

ok, and now I have 2 beliefs for who mafiates are. 1 is Mesden, the other is Catlover. I am more firmly convinced of Mesden's mafia allegience then Catlovers as I explained here.

and

Both of those were refering to Mesden.

To Ecurt: Thanks man. Atleast I know someone beleives me. All the more reason to keep fighting the good fight! But don't lynch him guys. He's just as much townie as I am. No need to do that.

Yeah, thanks for that. Now I'm still a target, because I do not believe catlover is the don. If I end up dying, catlover won't be behind it. But thanks for the vote of confidence; I never expected to be called a help at this game, as all I've managed to do is get killed, nearly get killed, and set up a team-mate to die. And how would ye know this? It could be a mafia ploy to kill a townie.

I Don't know it. I'm just saying it cause I don't want him sacrificed in vain.

Me breaking down on EVERYTHING of relevance that B_Real has stated in my breif absence.

Fenris has stated how you’ve gotten your facts mixed up and Sith stated adequately how that was just a random luck draw and the statistics don’t change because of that.

What kind of trap? The kind where I wait for someone to do something entirely scummy and reply scummily the whole way through? Oh yeah, what a trap there. *Eye roll*

How’d I trap you? Honestly? I’m not seeing anything but you making a statement and me going against it with many legitimate posts and you replied your own way. How’s that a trap if I debate with you? Man, EVERYONE is setting up a trap. I better watch out! /sarcasm.

It’s amazing how Garud mentions the SK not getting a night kill on Night 0 when there isn’t an SK, huh?

How someone plays in one game doesn’t mean they can’t be better. Also, what’s that have to do with the grudge issue?

“He played sporadically in that game so that means he DOES have a grudge, thus solidifying my point!”

The hell? (I know they weren’t exact words, but this is how I viewed that post.)

Ahem, educated guess? Educated guess means you have vague knowledge on what you’re guessing about. What’s your vague knowledge of guessing he still holds a grudge? That event was a bit over a week ago, so don’t tell me it’s “He was mad when it happened.”

Yeah, I would be too. Doesn’t mean it solidifies a grudge.

God, you must think Catlover has no moral fiber at all, don’t you? I’d be insulted if I were him at this point. Accusing him of holding a grudge over a game and accusing him of lying to the public…FOR A GAME?! Seriously, back it up and slow down on this.

You’re so convicted that you’re infallible here, aren’t you?

“I saved your ass! Had I not stated this entirely baseless conjecture without the hint of real proof, you’d die!”

Riiiiiight.


What a shame, huh?
It wouldn’t be such a risk if you believed in it so much, B_Real. You’re failing at logic, you know.

Yeah, what with the voting for me instead even though you’re SO sure about him and your reasons for voting for me are…

I pointed out how your baseless conjecture showed Catlover in only a completely town hurting light with circular logic following only to make it worse. But, since it was baseless conjecture, it had no relevancy.

You fought back…but never really stated anything against my main point (The one I just restated for you….again.)

Then I “Trapped” you. How? Did I know you were going to make that post? Seriously, EVERYTIME I get in a debate with you in this game, it’s some kind of trap? That’s arrogant to state.

This ENTIRE argument rests solely on the fact that you’re a townie, you know that, right?

“Trying to get the first townie to notice Catlover Lynched.”

Who said I was trying to get you lynched? I was debunking a BASELESS CONJECTURE! Get that through, seriously. The only reason I think you’re mafia now is BECAUSE of how you’ve responded to everything I said. Most of the time avoiding the MOST RELEVANT POINT. *face palm*

And yes, I do come up with plans of play for games and adapt. But now you’re using the fact that I’m good at…playing the game means I’m mafia?

EVERYTHING I do is a trap to you, isn’t it? If I AGREED with you, it’d be a trap, right? I can’t POSSIBLY be playing for the town. I couldn’t POSSIBLY think that your conjecture was wrong and didn’t want someone who may be as innocent as you to be lynched for it. I couldn’t POSSIBLY be good, could I?

You are the one with a grudge, B_Real.


Vain? Even if he is a townie, it’s automatically in vain Even if YOU ARE A TOWNIE, it’s in vain. The only way it couldn’t be in vain is if you’re the PO or Vig (Which if you were PO, that’d solve a lot.)

And this is just personal opinion, but if you ARE PO and you KNOW Catlover is mafia, then for criss sakes come out. We’ve got no more cult and the BG is alive, so we’d get another mafiate and the Vig wouldn’t ever try to kill you. The only chance you have of failure is if the BG dies from Mafia/SK.

And we still come out ahead. But you aren’t the PO, because if you were, you’d stay on Catlover since you would know he’s mafia from investigation. And you aren’t the vig, because then you’d just wait for tonight to kill Catlover instead of this fiasco.

So, unless you’ve got a positive secret role (Don’t even try this claim. Least plausible of all defenses) it is in vain (Assuming he’s townie).

heh, If I was a positive role, I'd have claimed it by now. Mostly because I would probably go rando killing time at whoever pisses me off and kill off a townie again like I did in //hack Mafia with my Magic mirror allowing me to mimic the PO, VIG, or BG. I killed CmP. I'd much gladly prefer we do a "hey town, lets get someone lynched and then night kill someone wiht my Vigilante roll. BG protect my ass!" Thats not the case so why bother bringing it up. I'm not even gonna TRY to fake a PO. Fenris is our most likely PO since he seems to know the game name of the SK.

You know what? Howabout we get the PO investigate me. now here's the fun part. he can tell you guys if I'm mafia. If I'm not mafia, he'll stay shut and no PO revelation. AND I KNOW that the second part of this will happen in him staying shut about me.

Its also amazing how the SK is not mentioned in the first post. EDIT: and how it's been mentioned in every other game except the very first game. In SOL: Mafia he was replaced with the Imposter.

And also, Mesden, If you could just tell me how you brought up that deleted post of Garud's I'd be more than glad to give you guys proof of that the SK was taken out. It was mentioned in one of the Deleted posts before the game started.

Me, have a grudge? NAW! Its just that every time I see you in action as you are now, it always ends up in the death of a townie. EVERY DAMN TIME! So yes, everything you do, does seem like a trap to me.

And its true, if only you would stop trying to frame me, like the countless others you've framed.

Except if the PO does say nothing how do we know if the he listened and investigated or didn't. In fact if the PO does find you a mafiate and then reports it then all the mafia/sk or whatever has to do is find the body guard and then no more good town weapons. The only people that PO thing ever helps is the Mafia/sk.

ok, then he can stay shut if I'm found out to be mafia, and we know where to go from there. Only reason I'm saying he say who he is if I'm mafia is because I KNOW he won't say it BECAUSE I'm not Mafia.

Again there is no way of telling if the PO listened or not also this way we potentially sacrifice the PO for a townie. Not a very good trade.