Super nerdy epiphony
 

The post you are about to read can only be described as a bizarre rant that has no place anywhere. Please understand that I am a proffesional loser, who has nothing better to do with his time than think up this stuff.

Alright, I was thinking about time travel movies when I realized that I liked Bill and Ted's excellent adventure more than the Back to the Future series. After probing deeper into my reasoning, I thought of a few things.

1. The metaphorical meaning behind "bill and ted" is hope in the next generation. Constantly throughout the film, the music Wyld Stallyn creates is noted as the reason that peace reigns in the future. This statement is meant to mean that the culture created by the youth will lead further towards understanding of all people. (I liked this message)

2. The metaphorical meaning behind "Back to the Future" is that you are in control of your own destiny, as plainly stated by Doc Brown in the last scene of the last movie.

3. When comparing the time travel theories behind each of these movies, you realize that they are opposites. Bill and Ted are locked into a single time frame by destiny, as everything they do is predetermined (proof: Bill and ted talk to themselves at the beginning of the movie, and at the second half on the other side of the conversation, and several times they make reference to remembering to time travel later in order to get results in the present, like when ted tells himself to remember to travel back in time later and steal his father's keys, then finds the keys behind a sign where he would later put them.) Back to the future, on the other hand, leaves people in control of their own destinies, for when ever marty travels back in time, something in the present changes, or technically, he creates an alternate universe.

4. looking at these two theories, it would seem that Back to the future provides the most self-inspiring theme, that you are in charge of your own destiny, and that bill and ted are nothing but puppets to a predetermined destiny. I used to beleive this as the truth, but then I realized how foolish it realy was.

Alright now, as I've stated several times already, back to the future seems to allow for free will while Bill and ted doesn't. But truthfully, Back to the future can't allow for free will either. Think about it, every time marty went back in time, he changed something in the present. Each future was created by guessing that everything would go like it would if nothing interferred with the people or the status of the current time era. This makes the people of Back to the future similar to robots, or computer programs. As long as you put in a specific input, you will always get the same output. Back to the future makes all people's experiences input, and the future output. Marty's existance in the past changed the input, so the output changed slightly. Free will can't exist in the Back to the Future universe, so the message put across from the movie is worthless.

Now then, bill and ted leave a bit of leway. They only have one time frame in which everything has already happened, but it could be argued that the timeline isn't forced, but rather guided by a higher being, allowing for freewill in the Bill and Ted universe. Of course, it is also possible that there is no free will in Bill and Ted-iverse either.

Oh yeah, one more thing: God cannot exist in the Back to the future universe. If people are machines, yet they control all of existance by changing time universe things, then there can be no higher power than humanity, and if humanity is nothing but an input-output machine, then nothing is really intelligent, and the universe is pointless.

So, there we go. I know its probably a jumbled mess that will be hard to go through, but its here to stay now anyway. Hope you like it. Merry late christmas. Happy late Channuka. Happy early birthday. and so on...

Thats interesting...but do you have 50 cents?

Edit: Wow, that came out really mean, so here we go: This is an interesting theory, but its a lot like comparing Star Wars to LotR; the settings are imaginary and do not nessisarily follow the confines of logic. Thus, any point is all but moot.

Edit2: Lord of the, but lord of the what?

Wow. That's pretty cool. It's like the times when I was sleepdeprived and disproved time travel simply through the problem of time paradoxes.

Wow... I don't think I have ever compared back to the future to Bill and Ted. Both were made in about the same time wern't they? Anyway nice explanation, though you should look that far into movies, Bill and Teds moral was to not study at the last minute, like they did.

I'm not really pointing out the settings, just the time travel theories of movies and how they relate to mans ability to think for himself. Also, its really a contrast of two different theories and what they mean when you take them too far. I just like that a movie that stated that the future is what you make it had a flaw in its time travel theory that killed free will. Of course, maybe someone can find a hole in it, I did dream this up in one afternoon.

Anyway, both movies do an incredible job of keeping you beleiving.

I don't see what the problem with paradox is. But then again, I am illogical, to the point of having to seriously concentrate when doing math lest I start thinking "what if 2+2 doesn't want to equal 4"

What I was saying was that the movie's logic was so that the audience could follow it. Neither was ever meant to be delved into by intelligent scholars or you. Even more, the idea of time travel serves more as a plot device than a sticking point, so to speak (more so in BaT), showing that neither the writers nor directers really cared about the ramifications towards the subject of human thinking said plot device might create or infer. Back to the Future might have made time travel slightly more important and might have tried to really think about it, but because ot BaT's stance on time travel, the ideas from the two movies cannot really be compared.

so where does the "Bad Rubber Piggie" episode from Invader Zim fit into the time travel theories?

and where did they get those freedom fries?

oh...wait...nevermind, that was a dream.

People have mathematically proved that you cannot go back beyond the existance of a time machine, and, besides that, you cannot change the past.