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Kurosen 12-07-2006 12:15 AM

#779: "He's just happy to make change for us."
 
Y'know. Not Akbar is a lot like regular Akbar.

Izlude 12-07-2006 12:17 AM

Poor Red Mage... then again his rolling has saved him before so it might not turn out all bad... right?

xravi 12-07-2006 12:29 AM

I don't get what happens at the end.

Demetrius 12-07-2006 12:30 AM

Umm, the fake store front falls down.

Classic!! Classic, I say!!

PraetorZorak 12-07-2006 12:35 AM

I don't know if anyone else does it, but I like to play this little game every week where I read the comic, and then try to guess which line Brian is going to use to title the thread topic. I'm right roughly a third of the time.



Upon re-reading this post, I can't seem to remember what point I was trying to get at, if indeed I started with one at all.

neofrodo 12-07-2006 01:38 AM

Is it just me or is Red Mage starting to become more like Fighter? -_-

Azrael 12-07-2006 01:51 AM

Become? I think it's just showing through more now.

zealshadow 12-07-2006 03:08 AM

So is Fighter becoming smarter and is everyone else is getting dumber?

Demetrius 12-07-2006 03:23 AM

Or Fighter is rubbing off on everyone else...

Either way I'm not seeing Theif being happy about his money (he owns it all by contract) being stolen, Theif chase!!

Furioku 12-07-2006 03:45 AM

Haha, the store front falling down, classic.

Michael Morris 12-07-2006 06:02 AM

Not Akbar just made a fatal mistake. If Black Mage doesn't kill him, Thief will. Still funny though.

henke37 12-07-2006 06:46 AM

Akabar is nicer then Not Akabar, Akabar at least gives something in return.

Bisected8 12-07-2006 08:07 AM

Perhaps Not Akabar is Akabar's evil twin, who refuses to even hand over any fake merchandise?

Harmless 12-07-2006 09:01 AM

Not Ackbar is too far away for BM (if he missed a volcano he won't come close to Not Ackbar), but Thief might get his revenge if not on Not Ackbar then on RM.

Fifthfiend 12-07-2006 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by neofrodo
Is it just me or is Red Mage starting to become more like Fighter? -_-

I don't think Red Mage is dumb exactly, just easy to manipulate if you know which buttons to push.

Now Fighter, I mean, that guy's just dumb.

Willowhugger 12-07-2006 10:07 AM

So THAT's what a critical failure on a bargaining check looks like.

bass_virus 12-07-2006 12:02 PM

You know it's times like this when i wonder why they let RM conduct any business. Expecially business that involves money.

Anyway i think it's safe to assume that RM is about to get one hell of a ninja kick.

Tiako 12-07-2006 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by zealshadow
So is Fighter becoming smarter and is everyone else is getting dumber?

Intellectual osmosis. Where is Fighter, by the way?

Also, I've been trying to figure out BM's intellegence for a while now. I think he has some, but is too self absorbed to use it effectively.

Double 12-07-2006 02:07 PM

I actually figured Thief already relieved him of everything he owned as he ran past, while he was distracted with his tears or joy.

If he didn't it's going to be a toss up of Thief/Black Mage committing horrible atrocious agony on Akbar (not likely) or Red Mage.

Bisected8 12-07-2006 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Double
I actually figured Thief already relieved him of everything he owned as he ran past, while he was distracted with his tears or joy.

If he didn't it's going to be a toss up of Thief/Black Mage committing horrible atrocious agony on Akbar (not likely) or Red Mage.

The chances are T/BM'll commit said agony anyway, out of principle or for fun respectively.

Kurosen 12-07-2006 05:09 PM

Quote:

I've been trying to figure out BM's intellegence for a while now.
Black Mage is as smart as he needs to be to best suffer in any given moment. Thus, he's smart enough to know that he is being swindled due to the incompetence of his comrades. But he's not smart enough to look at his new clothes before bragging about how awesome he looks.

Fifthfiend 12-07-2006 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurosen
Black Mage is as smart as he needs to be to best suffer in any given moment. Thus, he's smart enough to know that he is being swindled due to the incompetence of his comrades. But he's not smart enough to look at his new clothes before bragging about how awesome he looks.

Also worth noting, he's never quite smart or swift enough to actually prevent the aforementioned comrades from being swindled.

Would it be correct to say that Black Mage's mind, like everything else in the universe, works toward the deliberate purpose of making BM suffer?

Tokkie 12-07-2006 06:00 PM

I think that we need to consider the possibility that Black Mage is a subconcious masochist. Maybe losing his position as lord of hell finally sent him off the proverbial edge.

Or maybe he just has a glorious lack of common sense. Either way.

FighterFlight 12-07-2006 06:22 PM

Mortal Kombat:
Con Artists

Thief vs. Akbar

Let the Games begin


EDIT: OH SNAP! What if the wall falling was a transporter method, and Not Akbar, though he charged them all they had, was actually able to get them to where they want to be (Also farther away from him)

bananarama 12-07-2006 06:22 PM

I don't know. I think that BM just doesn't care anymore. He knows someone out there is fucking with him so he just doesn't care about anything bad happening to him since it is unavoidable.

Willowhugger 12-07-2006 06:56 PM

I think BM has Intelligence 10.

I.e. everyone is smarter than him except the idiots.

;-)

Edwardius 12-07-2006 09:45 PM

Ackbar, Akabar, Akbar... PICK A SPELLING AND STAY TO IT YOU NITWITTED RETARDS! ]:(

Tokkie 12-08-2006 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willowhugger
I think BM has Intelligence 10.

I.e. everyone is smarter than him except the idiots.

;-)

I guess he would have to be a sorcerer, then. Of course, his Charisma is probably on par with that of a burnt turkey dinner.

An enigma.

Meister 12-08-2006 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Edwardius
Ackbar, Akabar, Akbar... PICK A SPELLING AND STAY TO IT YOU NITWITTED RETARDS! ]:(

You're banned for two weeks for flaming, and if we ever see something like this from you again, even remotely, you're off.

Harmless 12-08-2006 05:38 AM

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I.e. everyone is smarter than him except the idiots.
Idiots, Fighter and RM. Thief may have more (if not much more). But Thief (hopefully) will have enough experience (if not intelligence) of conning to notice that RM has let someone run off with HIS money! (BM might just be a observer as revenge for the kick)

Ircha 12-08-2006 08:00 AM

Red mage is propably a sorcerer, since it would be lame for him to pick Wizard, as it would lower his fighting and dual classing skill. And if we assume he picked Sorcerer, he would be needing charisma to throw spells, and to throw spells as a sorcerer, you need a charisma score of 12, his skills in intelligence went to other things, such as Strength, Constitution, and etc. Fighter juts put everything into strength, which means he has about 18-19 strength, maybe some stuff went into dexterity aswell.

We've got a bit of a problem here, Black Mage is a wizard, and his main stats should be Intelligence, but sometimes he doesen't even sound remotely intelligent, he's propably wisdom oriented and got all his points on
Red mage appears intelligent sometimes, but most of the time he just goes wacko crazy.
[SMARTEST - THIEF]
[SMARTER THAN DUMB AND DUMBER/DUMBEST - BLACK MAGE ]
[DUMB - RED MAGE]
[DUMBER - FIGHTER]
[DUMBEST - FIGHTER]

Thief is the only one intelligent enough to stay the hell out of things, really.

Ryong 12-08-2006 08:33 AM

Sorry, but, apparently, Garland and Bikke are right there, below Fighter. Also, Fighter says in one of the early strips that he just puts all his points in strength.

Demetrius 12-08-2006 08:35 AM

Fighter has to have mad constitution as well, I mean look how hard it is to kill him.

Harmless 12-08-2006 08:53 AM

No-one has actually killed him yet, so you can't know how hard it is to kill him(!)
Any bets if fighter will ever die? And if so who will kill him?

Demetrius 12-08-2006 08:58 AM

Man we know how hard it is to kill him, BM stabs him all the time and it maybe knocks him out for a while... He has a Con over 20, or regeneration or both and something on top of that.

entrando2 12-08-2006 09:49 AM

I'm not sure but I think Fighter died in Episode 222: An Imminent Reunion.
http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=021207

Fighter is "Unbreakable" like Bruce Willis.

Harmless 12-08-2006 10:08 AM

He probably would of got up wondered why he was lying there and walked to the nearest pieces of land, if swordthingyabob didn't intefere.
He's indestructable i say! INDESTRUCTABLE! :D

Willowhugger 12-08-2006 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokkie
I guess he would have to be a sorcerer, then. Of course, his Charisma is probably on par with that of a burnt turkey dinner.

An enigma.

Yes, the other option is Black Mage is like most Geeks I know. 19 or more Intelligence, Wisdom of probably 8 or so.

(just higher than Red Mage or Fighter)

Cause Black Mage's stupidity is based around inability to comprehend cause and affect with people and social situations.

mauve 12-08-2006 12:47 PM

Ah, how I love Akbar. Good to see him back in the comic. I meant to say so last episode.

Oh, excuse me. I meant to say how I love NOT Akbar.

Tokkie 12-08-2006 02:19 PM

I think that BM would benefit greatly from just picking up a Nymph Cloak +4 or something. Though considering his available sources, he'll probably only get a towel with hot pink feathers glued onto it and the word "Juicy" sewn sloppily into the back.

Destroy Gundam 12-08-2006 03:51 PM

Black Mage can be pretty perceptive at times. He was the only one to notice when Thief muttered to himself in Pravoka, and he's the only one who could tell that Not Ackbar was going to rip them off. Too bad nobody believes him.

Ryong 12-08-2006 04:43 PM

Fighter probably does a roll with any die and randomly gets a 100. It's the only explanation of how the hell he randomly is smarter than everyone.

Rick Void 12-08-2006 04:43 PM

BM tends to notice things much more than the other warriors do. Here's what I think his stats are:

Strength: 10 (His stabbin' knives work on everybody but Fighter)
Constitution: 1 (I don't need to explain this one)
Intelligence: 20 (He seems to be able to cast lot's of spells, it's just the Hadoken that he can only cast once-per-day)
Wisdom: 15 (Explained above)
Charisma: 1 (Also does not need to be explained)

Here's Fighters:

Strength: 20
Constitution: 20
Intelligence: 1
Wisdom: 18 (This explains his high Lore skill)
Charisma: 15 (Everybody loves Fighter, even White Mage was attracted to him)

And no, these values are not D&D friendly. At all.

xravi 12-08-2006 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Void
BM tends to notice things much more than the other warriors do. Here's what I think his stats are:

Strength: 10 (His stabbin' knives work on everybody but Fighter)
Constitution: 1 (I don't need to explain this one)
Intelligence: 20 (He seems to be able to cast lot's of spells, it's just the Hadoken that he can only cast once-per-day)
Wisdom: 15 (Explained above)
Charisma: 1 (Also does not need to be explained)

Here's Fighters:

Strength: 20
Constitution: 20
Intelligence: 1
Wisdom: 18 (This explains his high Lore skill)
Charisma: 15 (Everybody loves Fighter, even White Mage was attracted to him)

And no, these values are not D&D friendly. At all.

What about Dex? Also I think he has a higher int.

Tokkie 12-08-2006 10:53 PM

Black Mage:

STR - 10
DEX - 17 (Noticed how fast he can stab in a stabbity fury?)
CON - 10
INT - 21
WIS - 14
CHA - 7

Fighter:

STR - 20
DEX - 16
CON - 19
INT - 9
WIS - 11
CHA - 14

Mazyrian 12-10-2006 07:46 PM

I'd say more like

Black Mage
WIS - 6 (he can be sometimes intelligent but not that wise)
CHA - 1 (the mere sight of his face cause madness)

Fighter:
INT - 1 (RM said that he has INT so low he drains it) or something like 30 (so high that often seems to be low)

Khael! 12-12-2006 01:28 PM

How the hell could Red mage have a Charisma of 12!? He said so himself, the low charisma score is the burden of every red mage. The lack of charisma/social skills is why everyone perceives him to be insane. (You can tell BM's CHA is worse too, since instead of seeming insane, BM is a raving antisocial lunatic.)

RM needs to have a really high intelligence score; it's why he has so many skillpoints to put into things like escapology and glassblowing.
It's just that he has an abominally low wisdom score, and so wouldn't know he was getting scammed if you stamped the word on his forehead. It may be even lower than his charisma.

Burkion 12-12-2006 02:25 PM

Black Mage:

STR - 12 (You do NOT stab formless ones back into the depths without some decent strength)
DEX - 17
CON - 2
INT - 21
WIS - 7
CHA - 4

Fighter:

STR - 27 (Fighting a Volcano Goddess on even ground? Yeah)
DEX - 30 (Honestly. The dude can use sword chucks without killing himself.)
CON - 19
INT - ????? (The Void)
WIS - 11
CHA - 20 (EVERYONE loves him. 'Cept for BM)

Red Mage:

STR: 15
DEX: 20
CON: 9
INT: 28
WIS: 1
CHA: 4

Thief:

STR: 16
DEX: 30
CON: 8
INT: 17
WIS: 18/8 (18 for normal events, 8 concerning the Elves)
CHA: 20

Khael! 12-13-2006 02:34 PM

Whoa, charismatic Fighter. I totally didn't notice that until you pointed it out. Freakadelic.

:fighter: Whee! I hope I get cookies.

Why isn't Black Mage's charisma zero? I wanna see a zero there. Then I could point and laugh at him for being the ugliest member of the party. Heehee, ugly.

Tiako 12-13-2006 03:09 PM

One thing I argue for Fighter's intellegence is that he was the only one who understood the concept of "sacrifice". He understood it in kind of a stupid way, but he was the only one to get it.

Therefore, it is my theory that although Fighter is technically the dumbest, he has the least personalities flaws getting in the way of his intellegence, so his practical intellegence (The amount he can actually use) is at times higher than the rest of the Light Warriors.

Quote:

Originally Posted by entrando2
I'm not sure but I think Fighter died in Episode 222: An Imminent Reunion.
http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=021207

You might care to notice that, in the next episode, he was able to shake off a ten thousand foot drop.

Quote:

Black Mage is as smart as he needs to be to best suffer in any given moment. Thus, he's smart enough to know that he is being swindled due to the incompetence of his comrades. But he's not smart enough to look at his new clothes before bragging about how awesome he looks.
Heh, that works for me.

Quote:

and he's the only one who could tell that Not Ackbar was going to rip them off.
Thief got out of that encounter with all of RM's and Akbar's money, so I think Thief decisively wins there.

Quote:

I think that BM would benefit greatly from just picking up a Nymph Cloak +4 or something.
I think BM's "spell components" act as a negative Cha modifier, so a Nymph Cloak +4 would likely bring his Cha up to zero.


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