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Kurosen 12-28-2006 12:05 AM

#788: "Score!"
 
Black Mage was but a pawn in our mysterious stranger's greater machinations? One has to wonder when and how this'll come up again.

Quickman X 12-28-2006 12:05 AM

Um. Well, I liked the "score" remark. On another note, I'm pretty sure it was the headfirst fall that did BM in... huh.
Man, I like this Dragoon guy already~

Kedglo 12-28-2006 12:13 AM

Nigh! The Eldar will reclaim the position they once held, banish the forces of Chaos, and all that stand in our way! The Tau are merely blades of grass beneath our feet! We will crush them as we march to glorious victory!

((Tau suck >.>))

Dig the update. Made me laugh :p
Nice work!

((I kid, the Tau are ok but the Eldar are better))

FighterFlight 12-28-2006 12:18 AM

Yet again, BM is caught in the act of helping strangers.

It makes him so mad when people see that his true flag waves gallantly over the lines of the good and true.

Let this be a lesson to all of you about real modesty.

Burkion 12-28-2006 12:24 AM

I love Dragoons.


I just have to say.

jmrdex 12-28-2006 01:01 AM

This guy is almost as insane as BB... dare I say it? Dragoon is BB reincarnated.

Burkion 12-28-2006 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jmrdex
This guy is almost as insane as BB... dare I say it? Dragoon is BB reincarnated.

*Drop kicks him in the throat, steps on his throat, and unloads a double barrel shotgun into his face. Then reloads and fires off again. Then pulls out an army knife and castrates the bastard.*

BB is DEAD.

xravi 12-28-2006 01:59 AM

black mage is starnded away from the light warriors. That has never happened before.

hanzo66 12-28-2006 02:05 AM

Only thing to do is wait until Fighter lands headfirst on him.

Tiara and all.

xravi 12-28-2006 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hanzo66
Only thing to do is wait until Fighter lands headfirst on him.

Tiara and all.

Dragoon has messed up black mage's direction, I think.

Burkion 12-28-2006 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xravi
black mage is starnded away from the light warriors. That has never happened before.

You either suck at sarcasm, or you don't remember when BM became Al Bundy there for a bit.

The_Editable_Wiki 12-28-2006 03:37 AM

Indeed. He was happy for such a short time...

Such a shame.

Furioku 12-28-2006 03:43 AM

The Dragoon definatly seems like a cool new char. Can't wait to see more of him. >_> Also can't wait to get a name.

The_Editable_Wiki 12-28-2006 04:00 AM

I can only speculate he is of upmost importance for future questing. That is almost always the case.

xravi 12-28-2006 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Burkion
You either suck at sarcasm, or you don't remember when BM became Al Bundy there for a bit.

I'll take suck at sarcasm for 500.

Jared Todd 12-28-2006 06:55 AM

You know... Fighter's probably just going to land on BM anyway. When did Dragoon stop BM in midair by jumping up miles upon miles, talking to him, then stabbing him with his spear when he's wearing incredibly heavy armor and the lance is probably heavy as crap too anyway? Maybe the first third of lift-off? Yeah, Fighter'll definitely land on him. You know, because the whole reality thing is totally Fighter's thing. It's foreshadow that BM's going to stab him in the head for once. Yep, that's right. With his tiara. So not girly. Which is so not Fighter.

Sky Warrior Bob 12-28-2006 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jmrdex
This guy is almost as insane as BB... dare I say it? Dragoon is BB reincarnated.

Yeah, the whole dropkicking thing Burkion said...

And even IF BB was reincarnated, he'd be just a baby, not a full grown adult.

SWB

Jared Todd 12-28-2006 07:01 AM

Pff. Reincarnation so doesn't work that way. But anyway, who needs reincarnation? Dragoon's skin underneath the armor is the same as Thief's, or BB's. But more importantly, it's BB's skin color. If played the right way, Dragoon, who obviously is getting lots of positive attention, could lessen peoples' gripes about BB's death. I mean, it's still an issue that's rubbing people the wrong way. Maybe Dragoon could put an end to it all. Or maybe it'll just start a huge riot on "Dragoon is BB!" and make things worse. *shrug* But I'm hoping for the first thing I said. Lessening gripes. Because I think with Dragoon's awesomeness and Brian's talent for character-writting, I think they both may be able to pull it off.

Lord Kibble 12-28-2006 07:14 AM

Dragoon >= Awesome. He reminds me of Fighter in the sense that he, too, is a helper. At the same time, he seems more apologetic and, well, aware of his actions than Fighter ever has, sort of like White Mage. Has WM taken up the lance?

shatteredv3 12-28-2006 11:10 AM

I don't get it, how exactly did BM help Dragoon get there? I was under the impression that Dragoon was the one helping BM.

Flarecobra 12-28-2006 11:34 AM

Because they collided in midair. And did anyone else get the feeling that he was looking for the Sky Castle to discover what became of the Sky Warriors?

Sorry, but the Eldar are like flies before the might of the Imperium! The Tau are cool by us though, good allies agenst Chaos.

greed 12-28-2006 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Kibble
Dragoon >= Awesome. He reminds me of Fighter in the sense that he, too, is a helper. At the same time, he seems more apologetic and, well, aware of his actions than Fighter ever has, sort of like White Mage. Has WM taken up the lance?

See theories 1 and 5 of Greed's Unified Theory of Dragoon McViolentlypenetrateblackmages Speculation

On the first part, yeah that's what I got from his character too, and it's totally awesome.

On the BB resurrection thing, Dragoon was able to locate and intercept a flying BM and then angle the fall trajectory to, I presume from his lack of frustration at the outcome, where he wanted to go.

BB could not walk a straight line without bending space-time from his confusion. He could quite possibly be BB's replacement, but it's definitely not him for any one of a million reasons.

Sky Warrior Bob 12-28-2006 12:14 PM

I don't get the Fighter/BB angle personally, as I haven't seen enough of this guy's personality to make a full judgement call.

But at a guess, what happened is this Dragoon made a huge, impossible jump (as Dragoons typically do), and his tragectory intersected w/ BM.

Anyway, by using BM's mass with his own, I guess he was able to bring both of their tragectories to a sudden halt.

I'm not good at physics.

SWB

Lord Kibble 12-28-2006 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Flarecobra
Because they collided in midair. And did anyone else get the feeling that he was looking for the Sky Castle to discover what became of the Sky Warriors?

I get the feeling that without the extra wind resistance provided by BM's Hammer Pants™, Dragoon may not have survived the fall. Though it is odd that he would be thanking BM in this comic whereas in the previous one it was he who appeared to be lending his aid, if you include a lance through the abdomen in that definition.

As for the obligatory Warhammer reference, um, the Space Pirates of Chaos are far superior to the Time Ninjas of Order. Go, symbolic personification of the dichotomous nature of mankind as represented by the inherent conflict between the relative constructs of good and evil!

Flarecobra 12-28-2006 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by greed
See theories 1 and 5 of Greed's Unified Theory of Dragoon McViolentlypenetrateblackmages Speculation

On the first part, yeah that's what I got from his character too, and it's totally awesome.

On the BB resurrection thing, Dragoon was able to locate and intercept a flying BM and then angle the fall trajectory to, I presume from his lack of frustration at the outcome, where he wanted to go.

BB could not walk a straight line without bending space-time from his confusion. He could quite possibly be BB's replacement, but it's definitely not him for any one of a million reasons.

Well, it'd depend on weither or not WM is flat-chested or not. If she is, then with short hair, it would be a little hard to tell, and BM's hearing could also be shot from the cannon explosion, combined with the wind, thus making hearing the Dragoon talk hard.

Edwardius 12-28-2006 12:32 PM

There's only one polar region in the whole game, and that's the ice cave... Arn't they suppose to be heading to an ancient tower in the middle of a desert? Eitherway, Dragoon is awesome, if he does aid the LW's, he'll be the totally apologetic warrior who gets other characters mauled in horrific ways on accident, and then offers you a band-aid.

greed 12-28-2006 01:12 PM

There were mountain ranges as obstacles however, and several mountains and passes have been settings in the comic, Dwarfland and Gurgu come to mind immediately and there are probably others.

Edit: Oh and Flare I meant 5 as a joke myself, but thanks for actually making it into something workable:D . Still my money's on 1.

Lord Kibble 12-28-2006 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Edwardius
There's only one polar region in the whole game, and that's the ice cave... Arn't they suppose to be heading to an ancient tower in the middle of a desert? Eitherway, Dragoon is awesome, if he does aid the LW's, he'll be the totally apologetic warrior who gets other characters mauled in horrific ways on accident, and then offers you a band-aid.

I reiterate that they did, in fact, land in the desert. Either they have arrived in the vast, unforgiving salt basins of Utah or the force of the explosion has reduced BM's color palette from 8-bit to grayscale. I know this because the world of FF has no poles, and hence no polar regions. The ice cave is located near a giant volcano for Bahamut's sake, therefore it's clearly made of some other form of crystalline solid. Furthermore, those mountains could not possibly be capped with snow as the temperature difference between the base of the mountain and the grassland/forest/desert region immediately adjacent would be too extreme. If snow he did not hit, you must acquit.

I will not abandon this argument, the truth shall be revealed.

Flarecobra 12-28-2006 01:28 PM

Come on, I'm the white mage lookalike. :P and with Mauve's drawing of my armor....well, why not?

UberYoshi 12-28-2006 01:30 PM

Anyone else notice nights passed and none of the other LW landed near BM?
Not that I'm doubting Fighters gonna land on BM, thats pretty much inevitable... Its just odd

Flarecobra 12-28-2006 01:47 PM

Well, obviously, since none of them were intercepted mid-flight by a dragoon.

The_Editable_Wiki 12-28-2006 04:10 PM

This would mean that the LW would be seperated by many leagues and miles, with no way to each other to complete this vital quest with their four members.

powermast56 12-28-2006 04:31 PM

Lemme see here...
*Pulls out big ol' list of FF Classes and marks off Dragoon*
I hope we see a Geomancer next. Or maybe a Samurai. It'd be awesome to see some jokes about the Gil Throw.

death_trooper 12-28-2006 05:50 PM

Thief probally can use that, and probally will later in the comic!
It's perfect, don't you see? He could beat Chaos single handed with that much money!

Furioku 12-28-2006 06:23 PM

Eh, Theif's too greedy over his money to throw it. Plus He's a ninja, Gil throw is a Samurai-only technique isn't it?

Flarecobra 12-28-2006 06:29 PM

Well, ninja also have the "Throw" ability, and when there wasn't a Samuari class, Ninja did have a "Throw Coin" ability.

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope 12-28-2006 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jmrdex
This guy is almost as insane as BB... dare I say it? Dragoon is BB reincarnated.

I shall quote Bohemian Rhapsody to this response.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh mama mia, mama mia. Mama mia LET IT GO.
Good job on the comic Brian. I see elite Guard Hank has taken up a new passtime.

Bisected8 12-29-2006 08:29 AM

Maybe Dragoon will turn out to be none other than;
  • Vargus, here to teach Fighter his one last skill in accordance with RPG clichés
  • BM's, apparently, horrifically murdered (by BM) brother
  • The Onion Kid (growth hormones?)
  • A corporal form of a dark god or Dr Swordopolis

Jared Todd 12-29-2006 10:22 AM

See, that's the thing, though. I'm sure he could be a character to model BB slightly, or a 'replacement' as a sixth main character, but I don't think he's an already existing lesser character. He's probably an absolutely new character that we're going to learn about. Heck, we can't even be sure if he's a main main character and he's going to leap off the screen after a hundred or so comics like the Other Warriors and then make a few cameo appearances in the future. Although, the whole BB replacement thing won't work unless he appears as frequently as WM until near the end of the comic..

But no, I doubt he's an already existing character in dragon mail. I'm betting on the brother thing, though. It could be Thief, or even BB's brother too. Remember, Brian made BM's skin the peach color instead of the yellow color (which I think BM was supposed to be). Dragoon's skin is yellow. So BM having a brother that's a different skin color than him is possible, but far off.

Sky Warrior Bob 12-29-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jared Todd
But no, I doubt he's an already existing character in dragon mail. I'm betting on the brother thing, though. It could be Thief, or even BB's brother too. Remember, Brian made BM's skin the peach color instead of the yellow color (which I think BM was supposed to be). Dragoon's skin is yellow. So BM having a brother that's a different skin color than him is possible, but far off.

According to Brian, BM is wearing gloves. His skin color is the same pink as Fighter. (At least this is what he told me to explain why BM used a pink sprite when he was nekkid after the Matoya cookie incident.)

And skin color doesn't count for much in the comic. Yellow, pink & peach are the only three real options from the original game. And unless Brian feels like it, that's all you'll likely see, because except in the case of Drizz'l he usually defaults to the original skin colors.

This is because he's true to the original game format. Or just too lazy to be bothered, take your pick.

SWB

Khael! 12-29-2006 12:39 PM

Hmm... I think that last sentence caused my brain to hemorrhage.
 
Huh. Apparently, functioning hearts are just as wholly vestigial as skeletons. Sweet! My quest to become a robot is now that much easier!
Dragoon is the newest addition to my list of heros. Anyone who can willingly jump and fall thousands of miles through thin air is worship-worthy.

If lancing someone's liver is considered helping, Black Mage is a Saint.

Tk-421 12-29-2006 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Kibble
I reiterate that they did, in fact, land in the desert. Either they have arrived in the vast, unforgiving salt basins of Utah or the force of the explosion has reduced BM's color palette from 8-bit to grayscale. I know this because the world of FF has no poles, and hence no polar regions. The ice cave is located near a giant volcano for Bahamut's sake, therefore it's clearly made of some other form of crystalline solid. Furthermore, those mountains could not possibly be capped with snow as the temperature difference between the base of the mountain and the grassland/forest/desert region immediately adjacent would be too extreme. If snow he did not hit, you must acquit.

I will not abandon this argument, the truth shall be revealed.

You say they landed in the desert, when in the fifth panel, the Dragoon clearly says he couldn't hear Black Mage over the mountain winds. How can there be mountain winds in a desert?

Flarecobra 12-29-2006 02:23 PM

There are mountains in the Desert. There's lots of them around where I am, and it's considered High Desert.

Tk-421 12-29-2006 02:55 PM

I see your point. I just never really thought of that. And I just realized, I got nowhere with my argument. If such things as mountains made of desert exist, then I am wrong and have no way to prove to Lord Kibble they are in snow.

Kurosen 12-29-2006 04:14 PM

The white snowy background doesn't do it for ya?

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Dragoon's skin color
I originally made his skin regular honky white (Fighter/Red Mage, etc.) but it looked ugly and washed out against the blues of the armor. Thief/BB yellow didn't quite do it for me either. I went back to the default FFIII Dragoon color and felt that it was a nice match for the blues I used -- which were, themselves, taken directly from Kain Highwind, King of Dragoons. And now you know the rest of the story.

Lord Kibble 12-30-2006 03:47 AM

If anything, the author's complete contradiction of my point of view only proves that I am right.

iceddragons 12-31-2006 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Kibble
If anything, the author's complete contradiction of my point of view only proves that I am right.

Could that be slightly altered to a future Jeff quote? I like when Jeff says stuff like that.

Khael! 01-01-2007 12:55 PM

It works well as a Jeff statement-of-fact. I know I'm definitely using that argument at my next D&D session. I'll be able to contradict the DM and make a point that means something! Yee!


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