Not a Foreshadowing of Doom
 

No, I'm serious. It's not a foreshadowing of doom.
It just means that I'm probably not getting a PS3.

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I'm hoping for an XBOX 360 port, myself. No offence to the Wii, but I don't think I could get the same rush from the latest FF with the Wiimote. Maybe the classic could do it. Plus, many of my friends have 360's.

Ah, choices, choices.

:rmage: dun dun dun

I mean, this is just bad. What next MGS4.

Sony, losing all their exclusives is a bad way to get their console off the ground. Why by a Ps3 when I can play FFXIII on a different (cheaper) console.

Hmm, this doesn't bode well for the likelihood of Kingdom Hearts staying exclusive either. If they lose KH too, then two of Sony's biggest hitters have been lost.

With Metal Gear Solid 4 apparently looking shaky too according to some, Sony will really have to make an effort to reclaim some exclusives, or develop a new killer franchise themselves.

Besides God of War.

Actually, it's old news, but Capcom (or whoever own Kojima Productions) was trying to make Kojima release Metal Gear Solid 4 on the 360 as well as the PS3.

I don't know where that went, but still, things aren't looking good for Sony with exclusive third party games.

Also...

w00t! I can play FFXIII. I have a 360, and I was kinda missing FF.

I think exclusivity is just dying outright. PS3 isn't the only one to have lost a title to the rest of the market. Oblivion went to PS3, and frankly, it looks better there and has Knights of the Nine standard, rather than having to pay a third party for it like on the computer. Now Oblivion for the Wii would be fun.



- Swing your sword for real! Pull back your own bowstring! Let those trolls taste your own fist!

- Crouch down to really sneak! Pump your arms to run! Jump to carry yourself through the air both in game and out!

- Lockpicking made easy! Turn your own key!


Oh, JT would have fun with that last one! XD

If by "looking shaky" you mean "the creator has stated that he has no idea where these rumours are coming from"...

I don't really agree, I can't think of any Wii exclusives that are going multiplatform and I don't see Halo 3 going to the ps3. Yea, some exclusives aren't staying exclusive but not a systems killer apps (sp). Ps3 unfortunately for them is losing almost all of their big exclusives, if mgs 4 goes then they might as well just get out of the game altogether (and in all likeliness there will be a metal gear solid game for the wii since snake is in smash brothers brawl).

Sony at least controls God of War, so they don't have to worry about that and apparently Lair is suppose to be good.

I think that phrase would be better put as "Third-party exclusives are dying outright," as I seriously doubt there are many idiot marketers that will make their "killer app" multiplatform.

Fixed.

Katamari is gonna be non-exclusive too.

And still Katamari...

Dammit, now they are forcing me to buy the PS3(by the end of the year)!

Nah, I really don't see FFXIII itself going outside the PS3. A spinoff maybe, but not FFXIII itself. I know you geeks really want it to happen but it probably won't. Especially since they were building it from the ground up for the PS3.

I always thought FFXIII might get ported to 360 a couple years down the road, not right away.

Ew, I just threw up in my mouth a little. Graphics were always an important part of the FFs for me, and a Wii port would sufficiently wreck that, I'm sure. No, I'm positive!

So if it has to port, let us hope it's the 360?

...I'm sorry? I really don't understand what you're suggesting here. Are you telling me that the Wii can't do as much graphically as the Playstation 2, or something?

Even still...graphics are an important part of Final Fantasy? The thought seems somewhat strange to me.

Yeah. My friends, who had SNES refused to play Final Fantasy 5 (one of the best!) because of its "clunky" graphics.

Personally, I think if you're playing games solely for the graphics, you're missing the point of games themselves. If it looks nice, that's a bonus, if not, judge the game on how good it is as a game. I'd still buy FFXIII for the Wii, despite the assumable graphical hit. Of course, that could be because I don't want to buy a 360 at this point.

Really, the Wii could easily blow FF12's grahics out of the water(looking at my two (and soon probably three, damn you CAPCOM) copies of RE4, the Gamecube could). Sure it wouldn't be super happy high resolution but it would still be far better looking than the last one.

Still not good for Sony at all.

This news is really huge, I mean Final Fantasy really is the heart and soul of playstation now that it's no longer exclusive I don't see how they will survive a hit this hard. That's the equivalent of saying "The wii sales are awful... oh and Legend of Zelda just went multiplatform". I don't want to be the one saying it's over, but in all honesty I have no idea how Sony is going to make it through this. I'll be really impressed if they do... but jeez, final fantasy not exclusive... wow.

Well, maybe a lot of good will come of this, maybe Sony will keep their head above water and start producing more and more good first party games and stop being so dependent on third party to carry their system. If the system wasn't so expensive and they weren't taking such a huge lose I'd say they could do it, but considering they keep losing money every system they make and haven't sold enough games to cover the lose I don't see how this is going to work out. Even if Sony stays a float I don't see them ever having the authority with the ps3 that they did with the ps1 and ps2.

I don't think I made any particular statement regarding the Wii and PS2, and I would be disadvantaged in doing so anyway, because it's comparing two different generations. What statement I might make is one comparing the three consoles of the present generation, Wii, PS3, or 360. Of which, the Wii is the distant third.

And is there any particular thing I can say to make the thought seem less strange for you? Final Fantasy games have, since 7, for me, always been pushing the graphical envelope. While a lot of RPGs are content with their 2D graphics, or their cell shading, or what have you, I've always seen the FFs (and make no mistake, I'm sure there's others too, that isn't the topic of discussion) improving their engine and well, making the pretty standard RPG fare much more pleasing to the eye. 8 improved drastically on 7, 9 on 8, 10 on 9, skip 11 because screw MMOs, 10-2 even improved on 10, and 12 improved once more. Given we've experienced another new generation AND the wider spreading of HDTV, I'd say I do expect a pretty huge upgrade for 13. Given some of the vague trailers, I might get what I want...but...It might be too early to tell.

That's great. I'll assume this is at least partially directed toward me, it seems fitting. I don't think I ever made any sweeping claim about playing a game solely for graphics. Now, making a decision to buy a game taking in graphics as a variable, and having it affect my bottom line decision? Sure, that's possible. Yeah, FF7 was all fine and dandy. If they released some clone of FF7 with the same graphics, right now, and charged $69.99 for it, I wouldn't buy that. I doubt I would pay half that.

Also, games are for entertainment. If visuals entertain me, so be it, a graphical game could do its job with me. As it stands, visuals alone don't sell games for me, but since this is an open discussion, I would rather choose a more graphically pleasing Final Fantasy game over a less graphically pleasing one, i.e. an Xbox 360 port over a Wii port. I might bitch about the control scheme too; I see an RPG as a sit down comfort game, something the Wii definitely struggles at compared to the other two competitors.

The graphics processors on the Wii are not HD, plain and simple. They will still handly FF type applications handily, the difference is the ability to render in HD. That was one of the upgrades Nintendo decided not to weigh in on, which was a good choice if you ask me, letting HD and Bluray fight it out and then releasing products that support the winner (if there is one) is a good way not to waste massive amounts of money in R&D.

Azizien, do you own a Wii? The most troubles I have are in games like Madden, FF play style is mostly turn based and the instinctual controls of the Wii would be great, not to mention combo breakers and combo attacks that would be easily accessable without having to mash through the 2 analog stick, 2 button pads and L&R 1 and 2. In my opinion it would make the game a great deal more user friendly.

Sorry if I came across like a dick, there. I wasn't actually directing it at anyone. I've just known people who won't play really great, older games because they aren't visually impressive, and when they say "it looks too bad to be any good" it really pisses me off.

Well the only reason I said Playstation 2 is because the idea that any console can't turn out whatever graphics it wants is absurd.

The PS2 is the weakest of the consoles, and you even said yourself it pushes the graphic envelope every time. I fail to understand how the next Final Fantasy being on the graphically weakest console again is going to do much of anything.

Yes, it's the only next-gen console I still own, though I'm considering that 360 Elite once it comes out.

As for HD, that's a huge thing. The switch from normal to HD was as profound as from sprites to spindley little FF7 3D, to me.

This is a good point. I suppose it could still do good things, especially as the console gets older (and the developers know the ins and outs), in which case, even the Wii may be graphically impressive. But since all the information we have at this point is vague, I'd rather side with the one that will almost guaruntee to give me something, well, prettier. I think regardless of what the Wii may be capable of, the 360 will always be capable of delivering more in the horsepower category.

That's really all. I think FFXIII will still be damn impressive on the PS3, too, and worth getting on that console. But as an alternative, I'd choose the 360. Then, maybe, I'd settle for the Wii.

I'm thrilled with the idea of FF going multiplatform, mostly because I'm cheap and don't intend on buying more than one of these new generation systems.

Graphically wise, personally, while I do like a graphically pleasing game, If FF13 came out with the exact/slightly better graphic quality than FF12, I would be happy. I really don't think it's a "quality" issue at this point, and just a style issue. But I also think that HD TV is kind of silly so I may not be a good judge of whatever "graphic capabilities" that an HD TV can give.

Well, have you seen the difference before? I REALLY dislike how expensive HDTV is, I'm currently busting my poor student ass for all its worth to save up for one by maybe Christmas. That's the price for new technology...or something?

But when I saw the two side by side, I think my jaw actually lowered involuntarily.

Yes I have (anyone who's been in the electronic section of Walmart has). My roommate has a HDTV at home and a HDTV computer moniter. I guess it looks nicer, but not AMAZINGLY crazily awesome. At least not amazing enough worth all of the hype.

Also, this may sound sexist, but from the people I've talked to, it seems that guys are more impressed with things like HD and surround sound and stuff like that than girls are.

It's true, I am drawn to pretty things that aren't technological... :D

I dont think this is a big a dent to Sony as people are making it out to be. Nintendo lost FF to Sony years ago, and it's highly ironic that no Sony is losing FF (well exclusives, not FF entirely). But they aren't screwed.

Mobile Games don't count in this case, because FFVII had a mobile release during the AC release. FFXII already has plans on a DS Release too. Don't forget that Xenosaga Episode I & II came for the DS in Japan.

...Why is no one talking about DMC4? Has it lost exclusive too? D:

Check out Sony's annual/quarterly reports before you say that. the loss of a single game in the past wasn't that big. Now, franchise games are reasons to buy or not buy consoles, with three actual contenders in the market (this has happened before, but the massive difference in the consoles and quality/quantity of games wasn't anywhere near the same as it is now), anything lost to the competetion is huge. Look at how fast the market (talking shares/trades now) responds to emerging weather paterns and can destroy a company over a rumor. This is huge, Sony has put too many eggs in one basket with bluray/PS3 and the money they were planning on making up in games and periphreals.

I'm going to have to agree with Demetrius on this one. Sony was expecting to be able to clean up in game sales to offset the high production costs of the PS3. If there's no reason to buy their games because a slightly less pretty version on another cheaper system exists, then those production costs aren't going down anytime soon.

I wish them luck, but I really don't see much hope left if they can't create some reason to explain to people why they need the extra expense of the system so they can get the same games as everyone else.