Danish School girls Strip for teachers!
 

If you want to become a high school teacher, do it in Denmark, where the young women put on an annual strip tease for the teachers. The teachers apparently get to judge, etc.

Yup!

It's true.

Someone caught it all on phone and uploaded it.

HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enjoy!

Denmark, I salute you, but damn do you need better phone cameras.

And people say kids don't take enough interest in education.

Hah!

I wonder if it's for extra credit. >>

Oh god bless corrupt authority figures abusing their power.

And mobile phones deserve a shout out as well I guess, even if they are crappy quality.

I just wonder how many years this has been going on for though, if this is an annual thing. Why have we not found out about this before now?

While Metro doesn't seem like much of a serious news source, this is the closest thing to a non-biased report I could find. It doesn't seem like much of an issue of power abuse at all.

It IS an issue of power abuse though really; they not only failed to stop it, but actively encouraged it. That sounds like an abuse of power to me.

But the thing that annoys me (and it's the only thing about this that does), is this last line (about the two girls who put on the lesbian show):

WHAT??! They didn't even win for that!! You evil bastard!

Depends on your views on the issue of in-school striptease as a whole, I suppose.

When we graduated we played silly party games with the teachers and fooled around with Super Soakers. I know I wouldn't have minded.

EDIT: What am I saying? I hadn't slept for about 25 hours then. I'd have been first on stage given half the chance.

I will move to denmark :)

Denmark truly is bringing sexy back.

Man, to think that I had to get into med school the other easy way.

Ah, the Metro, how I miss thee. These newspapers are free on buses over in the UK. (South-west at least, not sure about the rest.) Very many obscure articles that don't make it into the bigger papers. I think they're printed by the people who print 'The Sun' which has a topless model on page 3 daily.

Anyway, where was I? Oh yes.

This doesn't seem right at all. I mean, I do hope that it wasn't for extra credit or anything like that, that leaves a lot of splitting of groups if you're not one of the 'pretty girls'.

HOTT

COME ON RAI.

I think it's cool, it goes to show how much more comfortable those Eurofreaks are with their body/sexuality/stripping. It would be cool if America could kick its 400 year Puritan-shtick. I mean, doesn't anyone remember the ludicrous reaction to the J.T.-Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction" on the superbowl a while ago? It's just a nipple for christ sake.

HOTT is right. HAWT too...

Shouldn't there be an NSFW tag in the title or something?

I wish my school had that much freedom.

Isn't it kinda-sorta obvious that school girls stripping is not really safe for work?

Well, I suppose it depends on where you work, really. If you're a stripper or a Danish schoolteacher, the link would be totally appropriate.

Wait, there's another easy way? Pics or it didn't happen!

I kind of like to imagine someone seeing this thread, thinking "What have we here? An article on Danish teachers taking the time and energy to encourage their female students to enter the traditionally male-dominated world of the newspaper comics page! What a positive development for women, and indeed, all of humankind!" And then clicking into the thread and reeling in shock and horror.

Besides, that video quality is better than any blur filter.

My man, you have just won this thread.
Unless somebody can top this, here's your 100 internets.

Also, I've seen this clip earlier. I didn't remember seeing them actually show something, but that might've been me. Don't kill me, hun! I got linked by somebody!

Ah well. Go Europe!

As a school teacher myself, I find that video depressing if true. School should be a forum for neither sexuality nor violence. There's enough of that shit out on the streets already.

Excuse me while I go get a vasectomy.

Implying that you will sleep with the interviewer also helps
 

I think it's hard to claim that school and sexuality should be separate because the latter is part of inseparable human nature. However, there are healthy and unhealthy ways to let people express it. When people of authority are involved, the long term result is never good. People in the military get canned or arrested for fraternization with people under their command or authority.
If the girls were stripping for their boyfriends or the boys in their class, no one would give a damn.

Indeed. There's nothing easier than being a minority in academia.

Violence is part of human nature as well. If this were a 'sanctioned' battle royale I'd be equally disgusted. Bottom line is that kind of thing should not be happening on school grounds at all, but especially not with teacher corroboration. It's an institution of learning, not their friend's basement. Like these kids don't have enough free time to do that off school grounds anyway. If I had a kid in that school they'd be out and I'd be demanding the involved teacher's removal. But then again maybe I'm just too old fasioned for my own good.

I haven't disagreed with you on any particular point about how appropriate something like that is. Any teacher or any person of authority should be thrown out on their ass for sanctioning that. I go to school to confront my ignorance. I go to clubs or wear a skirt when I want to feel pretty. Stripping for a teacher has so many professional and ethical implications that it's not a healthy way to express sexuality.

Mannix your concerns are valid, but it's not like these kids go to school everyday and use class time to strip for their teachers. This is a once a year tradition. Instinct tells me that these are probably all seniors, and that the strip tease, in a way, acts as an affirming, coming-of-age ritual. This is one of those invented rituals which speaks to the current social discourse about age and sexuallity. A strip tease is not something for 'girls' to perform, only something for women. Therefore, it is not surprising that 1. the male teachers allowed it to occur and 2. the young women wanted to perform in it. Male teachers would not watch or allow 'girls' to strip in front of them. Obviously, then, the ritual is a modern initiation rite from being a girl to entering womanhood. It's a celebration of an awakened sexuallity--of their new found stage of adulthood.

Of course, no one looks at the reasons WHY strange things like this happen, they are just terrified by it. But something like this doesn't happen unless it makes sense for it to happen.

Aren't there some guys on stage as well anyway?

They're celebrating their womanhood, too. It's Denmark, remember.

fine. have the 'ritual' off school property after graduation (i'm assuming this was at the senior party, a lot of places have them before the graduation ceremony). Hell, teachers can get in hot water for having a legal relationship with an adult former student totally off campus because it presents a conflict of interest: namely educating an impressionable young mind or getting some trim. Coming of age rituals, dubious or otherwise, should remain off campus; especially if they intail quasi-illicit activity. A lot of the seniors at my highschool have their 'coming of age ritual' up in the hills outside town and get freakish drunk. Try something like that on school ground with teachers holding kids up for keg stands and you're looking at a night in jail for the kids and never being able to work as a teacher again for the adults.

and just as a side note, modern coming of age rituals are retarded. proving that you're an adult should require more than being able to display the hand eye coordination needed to drop your pants or open a beer.

Anyone care to e-mail me that video? I dont have internet form home and i have to get on here from the public library and cant watch it there for obvious reasons.

they remove that clips from many sites :)

F'real? I did not know that.

I saw the full video, and All I am saying is...
the answer to the age old question of where were girls like that when I went to high school has been answered.
They are danes

God bless the forums - if we were to argue anywhere else, we'd end up not giving the other party a chance to speak, shouting over everyone, rioting, looting, pillaging, raping, and watching Britney Spears movies while watching society crumble as a whole. Go Nuklear Power Forums!

*ahem*

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, but those that are on stage are not being forced. So it's safe to assume that they're there of their own free will. If they want to take their clothes off, all the power to them - they might have their own motives, such as removing the tension on asking out a crush (just imagining him in his underwear might work better if he's actually in his underwear) In Undergrads, they had the "Naked Rally" episode, and yet there was nothing wrong with that. It's like in France, they put snails on pizza - it's different from our methods, but who are we to judge? We get naked our way, they do it their way.

And Rai - I'm not that pretty. Not by a long shot. But I'd be up there, shaking "mah 'thang" - and based on what the bathroom scale told me earlier, it'd be a while before "mah 'thang" stops shaking.

Yep, I teach middle and elementary school English in rural South Korea. I've done substitution work at high schools as well, and it's a hell of a nice environment to teach in. The biggest problems out here are kids sleeping in class from staying up late to study and some of the high school boys occasionally smoke on school grounds.

The problem with that attitude is that these are children. Tall, mature-looking children, but children none the less. Most of these kids don't have the cognitive capacity to connect things like sex and disease/pregnancy in their minds. Having an authority figure encouraging them to engage in proto-sexual behavior, on school grounds none the less, isn't doing anything to help these kids develop sexually responsible behavior.

Considering Senior High School students children is... well, frankly? Asinine.

These are people who, in a few months, are going to be entering the workforce, either to get themselves through college or to support themselves and families. These are further people who have, more than likely had sex before... and are already acting sexually responsible or irresponsible, as the case may be. This event is very unlikely to change that.

I mean, I'm not going to say that I'm totally cool with teachers encouraging this kind of thing, if only because it reeks of the ew nasties with these guys getting their own students naked. I mean, I wouldn't feel comfortable sitting in a class trying to learn from someone who just judged my naked body and ability to strip. Someone who was, undoubtably, and most likely still is, thinking highly sexual thoughts about me.

Unless the teacher was hot. Then it'd be ok.

If they're freshmen on the other hand? Oh yeah, I'm with you. Those didn't look like freshmen bodies, though. Although it is, admittedly, hard to tell with the shitty ass quality. ...Still though, pretty hot.

That's just the thing, though. In modern society, we have no official coming-of-age rituals. Kids do seemingly foolish, risky things to prove they are growing up because no one else has set up rituals to prove that for them.

The purpose of an initiation ritual is to move an individual from one fixed status to another fixed status. For example, you move from being a child to being a man. This is marked by a bar mitzvah for Jewish people. For a lot of people who aren't raised in such a traditional structure, they might assert their manhood by having sex, doing drugs, getting into fights, anything viewed as manly.

For females, their first period marks their 'womanhood', but NOT really, because there are so many other qualities associated with what it means to be a woman. Girls can get their period as young as 8 years old, but no one would claim they are now women. A female also has to have a well developed body: breasts, hips, whatever. How is this relavent? The teachers in this Danish school set up a ritual that directly speaks to this coming-of-age time period, where these girls are finishing up puberty and have the confidence to assert their qualities. People don't just make up crazy, insane traditions and people just lose their mind and celebrate it. This strip tease, although unprofessional, is the closest thing--and maybe the only thing--that is welcoming these kids into adulthood. It's not surprising AT ALL that they'd jump at the chance to perform.

So, from this perspective, cracking down on these teachers or students would be a bad idea. Humans need rituals, especially initiation rites marking the coming-of-age. So, address the issue, come up with something to take its place if it offends people, but don't crack down on people for doing what's simply natural.

Most of these kids aren't even done physically maturing yet, let alone mentally. Maybe they aren't children anymore, but they sure aren't adults. Regardless of what they're about to go out into the world to do or not do, high school isn't the place to explore one's sexuality any more than it is a place to explore one's violent tendencies. Aquisition of academic knowledge is what school is for. Becoming an adult is what the home and their own free time is for.

Regardless of this debate, however, is the fact that this behavior happened on school grounds with teacher participation is unacceptable; can we at least agree on that?

The rituals, regardless of any merit they may or may not hold, were inappropriate for school grounds. Teachers should no more be judging striptease than they should be refereeing bare-knuckle bouts.

To my mind your argument is much more in support of developing legitimate rituals than (for lack of a better term, please forgive me) excusing the current ones.

Well, this is Europe, where sexual intercourse is probably not dissimilar from a rousing game of volleyball. I mean, take out the striptease contests and you might as well take out all extracurricular activities. And honestly, "stripper" is only a stone's throw away "cheerleader". Even if these girls were pressured into this one way or another, it still remains that every public high school in the U.S. is guilty of the same sort of duress. We've been telling growing young women for generations to exercise their sexuality for the good of the school, and that if they do, they get to be one of the popular kids.

Also, about high school seniors not being adults... people don't really get any more mature after that. I don't know what makes anyone think so. Everyone I've met, regardless of how old they are, is generally childish. You've got the people with addictions, the high divorce rates, and folks who are just all-around assholes. The people we call "adults" aren't special in any real way other than their physical age. They still make bad decisions, but usually more frequently and with more consequence, than children do. The mature, happy, and responsible working adult is a myth.

On another note, these girls are all way too hot. The ugly ones must have declined to participate. I'm halfway convinced that the whole thing is a hoax of some sort.

I dunno, I'm more mature now than I was in high school. High school me was kind of a prick. Part of the problems you've listed with modern adults have less to do with adulthood, I think, than how we're preparing people for it. That seems like a whole other thread though.

Well, for one, exploring one's sexuality is all kinds of harmless compared to outliving violent tendencies.

You can't expect people who spent half their waking time at one place for 13 years of their life to leave everything private at the door. Especially not if they're becoming sexually mature during that time. I do agree school's for learning first and foremost, but that doesn't mean no fun at all. For example, it's also for socializing.

Mind you, the thing that sparked this discussion was only a video. Any statements of students who feel humiliated or abused by this are remarkably absent. Either they were all silenced by the school administration or this is a school that must have remarkably good atmosphere to even consider holding an event like this.

except for vd and pregnancy. a black eye will heal a lot faster than herpes will.

These people are also beginning to experiment with mind altering substances, but we demand that they leave that at the door. I'm not saying they should leave everything personal at the door and act like little robots; I am saying that they should leave the exploration of their bodies and each others bodies for a different, more appropriate venue. I believe that school should be somewhat of a haven from what these kids have to face outside; like how animals generally leave each other alone at watering holes because they all need water.

And remarks from them are absent because this was a cell phone video posted on a pseudo porn site. These could be post-collegiate women for all we know.

By eighteen women are mostly done with puberty, they may have another year or two, on average. Men will be about three quarters of the way through. So while you're right, technically, I would also argue that they are a far far far cry from children.

I disagree. High school is a great place to explore one's sexuality, and is the place it's often done. What I do agree with is that it's probably not the best idea in the world to explore your sexuality with your teacher. Patently untrue. School is an institute of learning in name only. It's more of a training regime to make you into a productive adult--meaning it's preparing you for the dullness and repetitiveness of modern mid-income life.

There are much much much more effective ways to learn than to sit in a class and listen to someone drone on about participles and physics. Some of them are even cheaper than current methods. Anyway, the point is that the classroom environment is meant to teach SOCIAL practices even more than it is meant to teach anything else.

Dealing with your sexuality, coming of age, and violent tendencies are all part of the social learning that happens during highschool. Granted, most of what the classroom environment teaches us is to repress, repress, repress.

While this is rather effective in making a good working drone, it's terrible for the health of the individual--which is to say it's a flawed system.

I'm going off on a bit of a rant here.

All I really want to say is that schools should be a place to explore those things safely and control them in a healthy manner instead of a place to learn how to repress them--as it will result in healthier and happier people.

Yes and no.

On the one hand I want to say that different cultures can do whatever they want and it's not my job to judge. If it happened in the states? I'd be all about the yes, just because of teacher participation. I mean, if these girls had set up a little private strip party or something, it's all good in the neighborhood, but I just couldn't imagine facing a teacher I just did a strip tease for the next day. It'd be like if a shook my booty for my boss while she objectively scored my ass-shakin' performance against those of my co-workers, and then had to go back to work for her the next day.

I mean, on the one hand, I'd totally bone my boss... on the other hand it'd be fuckin' awkward to know exactly how hot she thinks my johnson is... especially compared to my coworkers.


However, the culture in Denmark is different, and it may not be an issue there like it is here with our deeply ingrained puritan ideals.

That'd be awesome.

I think you and I grew up in really different school environments. My community was a lot more Sparta-like in that if you wanted to do something 'naughty' you had to earn it. If you wanted beer you had to scrape together the cash then find somebody grubby enough to buy alcohol for teenagers but trustworthy enough to not just take your money and run. It taught craftiness. Having an anything goes attitude just makes these kids lazy.

Having to 'repress' their tendencies is healthy sometimes. You can't just go around shitting where ever you want, you can't go around having sex in public, you can't start a brawl in the streets - without consequences. Pretty sure that's true in Denmark, but I could be wrong; I've never been there.

No, I grew up in the same type of school. I just also have read a lot of psychology books and spent enough time reading and watching and learning to know that the way schools are set up isn't particularily effective OR healthy.

While it's true that you can't fuck in public, I see nothing wrong with kissing a significant other quickly to say hello or goodbye. You, however, can't do this at (most) school(s). I don't see the problem with holding someone's hand. Again, usually taboo. I don't see the problem with discussing your day with the guy sitting next to you during homework time at the end of class (or if you're in the back and quiet enough that it's not disturbing anyone else, even during lecture). Also taboo.

I also realize that young men and women of the highschool and middleschool age groups are teaming with more hormones than most pharmaceutical companies. As a result their emotions and urges are stronger than mine or yours.

As a result of THAT, they're more prone to violent behavior and, though I hate the phrase, it is, indeed, more healthy to 'let boys be boys' and get into the occassional fist fight than it is to keep them from ever doing it.

There's a few reasons for this. Firstly, at that age and with that much testosterone, they damn near NEED violence. Not ever getting violent at that point in time is simply going to make those urges build up. Some kids get through school just fine like that. Some end up bringing a rifle and shooting at classmates (there are OTHER and more pressing reasons for this as well, but... well there's a reason school shootings started getting popular a few years after the huge crackdown on school violence country wide). Secondly, there's no better way to teach someone that they don't want to fight than to let them get into a fight. Getting punched freakin' hurts. Thirdly, not only is it a good way to release aggression, it's actually a bonding experience for many young men. Partaking in their violent urges together can bring them together.

Honestly I could go on forever about the benefits of allowing a controlled amount of violence in school, but there's no need.

Also: Fencing wrestling and boxing programs are great for this--but the kids who usually need it the most (the ones who are picked on) are the ones who don't join those programs.


...and I've gone off on another rant.

All I'm REALLY trying to say is that while repressing them a little is good, school forces people who have a lot more to repress to repress it all to levels far lower than will ever be necessary in the real world.

You've been sig'd.

It's not like we don't have wrestling and football. Considering some of the long-term physical trauma that football can inflict, a black eye / bloody nose would be practically civilized by comparison.

Actually none of those things were taboo in even my middle school. Tongue-fighting was, but a quick peck wasn't. But we weren't allowed to strip our clothes off and dance around for the merriment of others. (edit: or for the merriment of ourselves, for that matter.)

The expression of the mild violent tendencies are what sports are for. But anything taken to the extreme - such as out-right brawling - is unhealthy. These kids should be allowed to kiss, write love notes, hold hands, etc etc etc (in my experience we were) but a striptease is to appropriately expressing one's sexuality in a school as beatings are to sports. (Most of the injuries in sports are due to accident if I'm recalling my statistics correctly, Fifth.) There's a time and a place for just about everything, and part of being an adult is knowing when something is inappropriate. Throwing yourself on the ground and screaming/thrashing your arms like a wee baby, for instance, is not a good way to express anger or frustration (hilarious though it may be).


YAY!

I'm guessing you're older than me as that you're a teacher off in Korea.

So I'll just say that school's have gotten stricter and stricter about these kinds of things as time goes on. All of those things were illegal in the three schools I went to in two different states. They weren't always enforced, but they could be at any time. Mostly you just had to figure out which teachers were old bitter bitches/assholes and avoid doing anything around them. Ever.




I disagree that outright brawling is necessarily unhealthy. It can be if it goes too far, but kids very rarely take a fist fight too far... and it's a natural part of the growing up and maturing process. It helps the emotional and physical development of young men in a myriad of ways.

You teach english you said?

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Anyway, I mostly agree with this. The problem being that you aren't allowed to do those things in a lot of modern schools. You were able to back in the day, and hell, go far enough back and you'll find that even knife fighting was mostly allowed. I mean, I wouldn't allow that, but our great grandparent's generation did.

Thing is, more rules are put into place every year as parents make more and more fuss about 'protecting' their children, and every year their children get more and more repressed and we're getting to the point that protecting them is leaving them unprepared for the real world. Not to mention turning them into emotional messes.

I'm not saying anything as to the cause, just as to the level of harm inflicted, particularly in the long term. I just don't know that you aren't more likely to get a concussion or tear a ligament or break something important or generally develop long-term trauma playing football than you are in a refereed fight.

The comparison I was trying to make with teacher-endorsed fighting was less along the lines of a boxing/wrestling match than something more Mortal Kombat-esque, but obvioiusly not quite that extreme. Like a last-man-standing orgy of violence.

The rules crackdown are a wrong-headed attempt to avert scandal. There was one I'd heard about recently where students in a middle school (?) were caught having sex during an assembly or something like that. I don't have a link because googling "school" and "sex scandal" made me want to go on a shooting spree of my peers. Repressing all forms of affection is going to damage the decent kids and it's not going to stop the freaks.

Just out of curiosity, what state do you live in?

So you are arguing that anything taken to an extreme is unhealthy, but who determines what is extreme? To me, a strip tease is harmless fun, while someone else might advocate 99 lashes in the public square. Everyone has their limit, why should we accept yours over theirs?

You also say that there is a time and place for everything, and that part of being an adult is to know when something is appropriate or not. But this school in Denmark isn't run by children, it's run by adults. You are one adult disagreeing with an apparent organization of adults. Not only that, but you are condescending your fellow adults by suggesting that they are children who were too immature to realize that what they allowed was inappropriate. Very simply, you are engaging in ethnocentrism.

There is not 1 universal human law that determines what is or is not appropriate. Part of being an adult is not only learning your culture's rules, but also deciding for yourself what the rule should be. You should know this pretty well, as a teacher in South Korea. Not only did you have to learn their rules, but you also had to decide what you could personally allow in the classroom and where you drew the line. This is the distinction between the social and personal spheres.

Maybe, in parts of Denmark, or maybe at just one school with a distinct organizational culture in Denmark, it's uniquely not an inherent problem to strip for your teachers at some point near the end of your last year there.

Well, there are a FEW universal laws out there, adamark- I don't think anyone would advocate pedophilia, for instance. (Except the pedophiles themselves, obviously.) It isn't appropriate for a child of, I dunno, let's say 8 years old, to have sex with, let's say a 40 year old man.

A playful striptease? nothing overtly wrong with that, that I can see- Although for people in a position of power, to be viewing their underlings performing a strip tease, I can see where it could feel like the kids were coerced into doing it. The article seems to state that the kids did this all themselves as a student organised event, though.

It might certainly seem that way to an outsider. But what does that matter? No ones quality of life will decrease because some people on the other end of the world do something harmless that he just doesn't like.

I stand by my point it's harmless until evidence to the contrary comes up, by which I mean nothing less than a student or teacher being seriously bothered by it.

See, in the end, if there's honestly no harm done to anyone, this just is not our business.

I really dislike cultural relativism. Just because it's 'part of somebody's culture' doesn't mean that it's a great idea or that we as individuals should encourage it. Every culture has something bad about it. I'm against the part of American culture that values athletic prowess over just about anything. I'm also very, very against the element in some African cultures that promotes female genital mutilation.

As for myself in Korea, Korean educational culture allows for heavy corporal punishment. I have never and probably will never strike one of my students, regardless of what culture says it's OK to do.

Keeping an open mind is important to be sure, but if there's something going on in a culture that I would never want to happen to me or my (theoretical) children I think its safe to say that it's an idea worth examining more closely for merit. Traditions are not automatically sacrosanct by virtue of their having happened before.

I agree with the bold part more or less, harm or no harm. I in no way advocate the invasion and deculturalization of Denmark. However, I don't believe that precludes academic debate. And lack of physical harm doesn't mean there's no psychological trauma - who can say what an event like this does to a young woman's body image or her view of herself as more than meat?

I felt those three quotes were the best summation of the argument I was about to comment on.


Violence isn't as bad as parents and advocates and some politicians want it to be. Case in point; Every year my school has a seven game "Teachers vs Students" series in hockey and then lacrosse. I was in both series, as a goalie and then a defenceman. Now, anyone will tell you that those are violent sports. They were good for student bonding.

Thus far, the arguments have not disagreed. Now they will.

During the course of the hockey series, there was three or four fights, and one line brawl that culminated with me going toe-to-toe with my physics teachers, both us thrashing about in our goalie gear, and eventually 'ol Mr. Dickie going down with blood streaming wildly out of his nose. The video used to be on YouTube.

During the lacrosse series, I alone actually had six fights, three of them in one game. Most of them were against different teachers, but I also had a rematch against my physics teacher and handilly won it.

These weren't unhealthy exercise.

The teachers were taught respect for us, for our character and our resolve. They don't fear us now. They don't now think we're violent hooligans. They think that we obey the code of "You fuck with my team, you fuck with my fists."

We don't think less of our teachers. We don't feel emboldened.

It was a beating. It was a brawl. It didn't do anything bad. An appropriately released line brawl was just as good for us as learning to shut up.

By that logic, to me, an appropriately released strip-tease competition should have the same good effect for sexuality.

Better idea.

Let these and all other stripteases go on, because as a final fantasy loving, world of warcraft playing, fantasy book writing, legend of zelda obsessed, samus fan, that is all I'm ever going to see.