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mudah.swf 05-09-2007 07:52 AM

Final Fantasy IV DS.
 
Yep, Square Enix are remaking FFIV for DS. It's getting a 3D makeover FFIII style.

Scan here. Dunno much about it at the moment.

Tendronai 05-09-2007 08:15 AM

I'm not sure if I'll bother buying it. They'd have to add on a lot to justify me buying a prettier version of FFIV Advance.

Lord of Joshelplex 05-09-2007 09:51 AM

I wouldnt say it is prettier, Id take good 2D over average 3D perasonally.

Used_Potato 05-09-2007 09:53 AM

After the FFIII remake destroying my cherished childhood dreams, I'm staying away from this one. =/

Moogle0119 05-09-2007 10:05 AM

Cherished childhood dreams? You had cherished childhood dreams on an emulator? either that or I'm guessing you played and understood the Japanese version untranslated since FFIII was never released over here (officially) prior to the DS version. If you are thinking of the FFIII for SNES then you are getting confused with the American re-numbering that was done with FFIV (became FFII on SNES) and FFVI (became FFIII on SNES).

Anyway I'll be looking forward to this and will possibly get it. Granted I played and beat both the SNES and PSX versions and I never got to play the GBA version but heard good things about the extra side quests, I might pick this up for my DS.

Death by Stabbing 05-09-2007 10:09 AM

Woot! I can't wait...to finish FFIII and then other stuff

But I think I know what game eveyone's really waiting for...

Pheonix Wright 3

Meister 05-09-2007 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Moogle0119
Cherished childhood dreams? You had cherished childhood dreams on an emulator? either that or I'm guessing you played and understood the Japanese version untranslated since FFIII was never released over here (officially) prior to the DS version. If you are thinking of the FFIII for SNES then you are getting confused with the American re-numbering that was done with FFIV (became FFII on SNES) and FFVI (became FFIII on SNES).

Calm down dude, not everyone bothers with the exact original numbering of a game they may have called "FFIII" all their life. You figured out what he meant, didn't you?

Squall Leonhart 05-09-2007 10:30 AM

I'm very likely to get this as soon as I can. I am enjoying my copy of Final Fantasy III as of right now. Also, just as long as they take off the MoogleNet as a requirement for a side-quest or something, all is right with the world.

Speaking of which, is anyone intrested in helping me with that?

Arlia Janet 05-09-2007 10:48 AM

Cecil looks like a villian from Tron... but with spikey things. Armor shouldn't look like spandex people!


HB, private message me and we'll swap friend codes.

Moogle0119 05-09-2007 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Meister
Calm down dude, not everyone bothers with the exact original numbering of a game they may have called "FFIII" all their life. You figured out what he meant, didn't you?

Sorry I guess I could see how that probably came off condescending to Used Potato and that wasn't the intent. I was honestly curious about if maybe he was meaning FF6 or if he was just a young poster who may have played the game on an emulator or in Japan or something.

Meister 05-09-2007 11:42 AM

ALSO: this dedication of half of SE's resources to remaking their old FF games is beginning to irk me. Besides I can't imagine it's a very smart business decision to release what's essentially the same game twice within such a relatively short timespan. If I'd bought the GBA version and now there was another remake coming out with even more special features, I'd be miffed.

Tendronai 05-09-2007 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Meister
ALSO: this dedication of half of SE's resources to remaking their old FF games is beginning to irk me. Besides I can't imagine it's a very smart business decision to release what's essentially the same game twice within such a relatively short timespan. If I'd bought the GBA version and now there was another remake coming out with even more special features, I'd be miffed.

It's really starting to piss me off, quite frankly. They're remaking FF1&2 for the PSP, and now this? What was the point of the GBA versions, then? Why can't they make something *gasp* new? It might be nice to be able to churn out the exact same thing over and over again and have it sell solely based on nostalgia, but it can't last forever.

I'm not saying that I won't buy it, because I don't know what they're adding on, but I am willing to say right now that they'd have to have enough extra content to double as it's own game for me to pay for FFIV again. The only reason I bought the GBA version was because my SNES cartridge has stopped saving.

Kroze Gamegod 05-09-2007 03:01 PM

You DO know what this means... if they are redoing IV in 3D then VI can't be too far behind....
JUST ONE STEP CLOSER TO VI-2: X-TREME BEACH VOLLYBALL!! w00t!

Used_Potato 05-09-2007 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Moogle0119
Cherished childhood dreams? You had cherished childhood dreams on an emulator? either that or I'm guessing you played and understood the Japanese version untranslated since FFIII was never released over here (officially) prior to the DS version. If you are thinking of the FFIII for SNES then you are getting confused with the American re-numbering that was done with FFIV (became FFII on SNES) and FFVI (became FFIII on SNES).

Anyway I'll be looking forward to this and will possibly get it. Granted I played and beat both the SNES and PSX versions and I never got to play the GBA version but heard good things about the extra side quests, I might pick this up for my DS.

I meant FF3j, the NES version. "Childhood" was a bit exaggerative; I'll admit, lol. Still, FF3j is my favorite NES RPG, hands down, and I personally don't really like the directions they took with FFIII DS.

That said, some of the FFIV DS screenshots concern me. It's sort of the same deal as the overall style Square used for the GBA ports. Lazyian translation: Hey, it worked for Dawn of Souls, why not do it with every other port? And we've seen how that can detract from the quality of a game *cough*FF6*cough*.

My only agreement with FFIII DS was that the chibi big-headed style at least worked--FF3j was already set in a whimsical environment. FFIV, on the other hand, is a tad darker, and so the same style will likely not work. Although, to its credit; it's not quite as noticable here. Chibi Cecil should nevertheless spare himself the misery of his existance and impale himself on his own sword--and it irritates me too, since Cecil is one of my favorite FF characters and FFIV one of my favorite FFs overall.

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope 05-09-2007 06:35 PM

I do not like this. I do not like this at all.

I love FF4 alot, but this is pushing it. To me the game will forever be the top down 2d. This is blasphemy and frankly a giant insult to those who bought FF4A. Goddamn you $quareEnix.

mudah.swf 05-09-2007 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Mac
I do not like this. I do not like this at all.

I love FF4 alot, but this is pushing it. To me the game will forever be the top down 2d. This is blasphemy and frankly a giant insult to those who bought FF4A. Goddamn you $quareEnix.


So is it just the fact that it's 3D eating you up, or is it the fact that this is like the 5th remake they've given this?

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope 05-09-2007 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mudah.swf
So is it just the fact that it's 3D eating you up, or is it the fact that this is like the 5th remake they've given this?

A little bit from Column A, a bit from Column B

Donomni 05-09-2007 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Meister
ALSO: this dedication of half of SE's resources to remaking their old FF games is beginning to irk me. Besides I can't imagine it's a very smart business decision to release what's essentially the same game twice within such a relatively short timespan. If I'd bought the GBA version and now there was another remake coming out with even more special features, I'd be miffed.

<-- Is miffed.

If there isn't enough new content in this port, I'm not gonna buy it. I'll stick with FFIV GBA, thank you very much.

POS Industries 05-09-2007 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Used_Potato
And we've seen how that can detract from the quality of a game *cough*FF6*cough*.

I rather prefer the GBA version of FF6, what with the dialogue being a whole hell of a lot better. I don't know where the detraction in quality idea comes from, honestly. So the GBA isn't as powerful as a SNES, so the graphics come out a bit fuzzy from a distance on the airship, Sabin's Fire Dance has some slowdown, and the music isn't as good in some places (except where the vocal synth in the opera scene are actually improved).

Oh, and Celes didn't get punched in her jail cell. Incidentally, I don't remember that very same guard getting up in her face and yelling like that repeatedly in the original version, either, with it appearing as if he was holding her by the throat. So, I dunno, seems the Empire was as brutal as ever and the danger to Celes in that situation was quite visibly apparent to me.

/rant

PyrosNine 05-09-2007 07:16 PM

My only qualm with a 3D version of IV is that I just bought IV for my brother to play on his GBA for 7.99, and now there's really no need for me to buy the coolio 3D version.

In theory, you could have both in the same DS or something, but that would just be pointless unless you grew tired of the newfangled 3D graphics or bored with the sprites, and desired to alternate between the two.

Used_Potato 05-09-2007 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by POS Industries
I rather prefer the GBA version of FF6, what with the dialogue being a whole hell of a lot better. I don't know where the detraction in quality idea comes from, honestly. So the GBA isn't as powerful as a SNES, so the graphics come out a bit fuzzy from a distance on the airship, Sabin's Fire Dance has some slowdown, and the music isn't as good in some places (except where the vocal synth in the opera scene are actually improved).

Oh, and Celes didn't get punched in her jail cell. Incidentally, I don't remember that very same guard getting up in her face and yelling like that repeatedly in the original version, either, with it appearing as if he was holding her by the throat. So, I dunno, seems the Empire was as brutal as ever and the danger to Celes in that situation was quite visibly apparent to me.

/rant

I'd much rather stick with the original translation, thank ya much. I've known of plenty of people who have a problem with the SNES dialogue because it doesn't really make a big deal out of being serious. But I personally think it fits the world of FF6 quite well. And besides that, I grew up with Ted Woosely, as did us all. I should think it's a little hard to let go.

FFVI Advance doesn't appeal to me largely because the GBA is incapable of effectively pulling off the same types of features the SNES was able to utilize successfully.

Regulus Tera 05-09-2007 11:49 PM

Is that Akihiko Yoshida redoing Yoshitaka Amano's cherished character designs?

I'm sold. If they just weren't doing another sequel for FFXII...

BitVyper 05-10-2007 12:35 AM

The remakes don't bother me, mostly because I stopped truly enjoying Square's games a long time ago. at least this way they're making something I like.

POS Industries 05-10-2007 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Used_Potato
I should think it's a little hard to let go.

Eh, I was ready to let it go around the time they referred to Shadow as "her" in the Veldt cave, personally. Frankly, having my favorite characters actually communicate with each other like human beings with sensical lines and more coherent exposition far outweighs the loss of "son of a submariner".

Magus 05-10-2007 02:16 AM

I never finished FFIVA, I got to the moon and got bored.

Personally I have no idea why they're doing this. Someone who has to have FFIV in 3D to get them to play it shouldn't be playing FFIV. Anyway, I foresee 3D FFV and FFVI, but uhh, FFVI for one I don't see going with the FFIX graphics, it would require realistic proportions ala FFVII or VIII. And that would just be sad, really.

The games are already very nice looking, after all. I don't think I can stomach buying these AGAIN.

EDIT: ERGGH! UGH! THAT CECIL! AAGH! IT HURTS MY EYES.

This game is really ugly. It is a travesty. Terrible redesigns.

Moogle0119 05-10-2007 08:18 AM

Any information on whether or not there will be new content (more content/side-quests) than what FFIV Advance had? If they actually add in more side-quests at the end and/or add more quests into the actual plot without screwing it up I could be persuaded. FFIV on SNES (FFII) was the game that made me fall in love with RPGs really and the story is sacred to me. Despite all that, as long as they keep it consistent with regular story and they keep the spoony bard line in I will be tempted to buy it.

Magus 05-10-2007 09:11 PM

By consistent with regular story, do you mean having the characters actually die? 'Cause that wouldn't be conducive to more content (heck, getting the weapons for them was pretty much all the extra there was to do in FFIVA...), but it would be far more in line with the regular story.

I'm going to finalize my opinion as 1. Superflous, but 2. Not a bad idea, BUT 3. Bad execution, I don't like the style (it's mainly Cecil's face that's got me down right now, besides his body...)

They should've made it look like the concept art there at the top with Cecil, Rosa, and Kain. Even if there is less detail, if it is sharper and the polygons less pixelated I think it is far superior. It's basically looking like a PSX game, and we know the DS can look like an N64 game. They should go for the latter.

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope 05-10-2007 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus
They should've made it look like the concept art there at the top with Cecil, Rosa, and Kain. Even if there is less detail, if it is sharper and the polygons less pixelated I think it is far superior. It's basically looking like a PSX game, and we know the DS can look like an N64 game. They should go for the latter.


Then we'd have Batman in FF IV

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/I...il_Dknight.jpg

I still hate the idea.

Magus 05-10-2007 09:50 PM

I didn't mean the Amano Golbez or Cecil, I meant simply that scene where they are on the street at night there at the top. They just look like their basic in-game sprites from FFIV but you know full-sized and all. Just do that 3D and I'd be happy. Cecil could even be blue and I wouldn't mind .

Fifthfiend 05-10-2007 11:23 PM

Kinda cool but seriously, Cecil is ugly as sin. Way to harsh my buzz, Square Enix.

Now I know why they still haven't done a 3D Chrono Trigger, they're trying to figure out how to ugly the hell out of it.

Arlia Janet 05-11-2007 12:45 AM

The incredible ugliness of Cecil... good lord he's ugly... detracted me from seeing that Tellah, Rydia and the octopus actually looked really good. Interesting camera angle too (import FF12's battle system please!).
What I liked about FF4 is that it seemed to be the hardest FF game that I've played. Something about the level designs and monster stats just forced me to be extra careful about how I used and protected my characters for fear of running out of resources.
If FF3 DS is any indication, FF4 DS will be a walk in the park.

Mike McC 05-11-2007 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Arlia Janet
The incredible ugliness of Cecil... good lord he's ugly... detracted me from seeing that Tellah, Rydia and the octopus actually looked really good. Interesting camera angle too (import FF12's battle system please!).
What I liked about FF4 is that it seemed to be the hardest FF game that I've played. Something about the level designs and monster stats just forced me to be extra careful about how I used and protected my characters for fear of running out of resources.
If FF3 DS is any indication, FF4 DS will be a walk in the park.

Yeah, the dungeons in FF4 were long, plus, at least in hardtype, the battles were grueling. I liked to set the battle speed to 1, in that case, if you got a preemptive strike, you had a chance to squeeze off one attack before the enemies started attacking. It was great. I especially loved the final dungoen; exceptionally long, hard, and full of bosses. The way a final dungeon should be.

Mr. Viewtiful 05-11-2007 02:57 AM

In-game Cecil reminds me of Alastor from Viewtiful Joe minus the cel-shading.

Makes me wanna puke. Ugh.

Satan's Onion 05-11-2007 04:49 AM

So they're devoting what I assume would be quite a lot of man-hours of effort to releasing FFIV again (I mean, good Lord, how many different releases has this game seen? I count three off the top of my head already if you count the original SNES release) when they have so many other wonderful games they could reintroduce (or bring over from Japan) to the gaming public? I mean, they could be using this time for

Chrono Trigger
Soul Blazer
Illusion of Gaia
Terranigma
Chrono Trigger
Treasure of the Rudras
Treasure Hunter G*
E.V.O. The Search for Eden
Chrono fucking Trigger

--and that's really just a partial list, from games I have been fortunate enough to experience myself, from just one console. They're overlooking all these wonderful games for another fucking version of FFIV? I call this a case of "too much of a good thing".

*edit: Okay, according to GameFAQs, this game was actually developed by a company called Sting, but released by SquareSoft. I do remember reading that it was the last game Square gave Nintendo before they started to make games for Sony.

Kenryoku_Maxis 05-12-2007 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BraveFencer Shinryuu
Yeah, the dungeons in FF4 were long, plus, at least in hardtype, the battles were grueling. I liked to set the battle speed to 1, in that case, if you got a preemptive strike, you had a chance to squeeze off one attack before the enemies started attacking. It was great. I especially loved the final dungoen; exceptionally long, hard, and full of bosses. The way a final dungeon should be.

The dungeons from FF4 were not only long, but you got into battles EVERY THREE STEPS!


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