Umm, I don't see why not. What is different about joining a fire mage clan over a guild, or is the clan sort of a secondary group I join? Eitehr way, I'm at least interested to know more if nothing else.

And I've never read the Anne Rice novels, or seen any movies, but you've cleared up any questions or comments I could have had on mages/pyromancers vs vampires.

Well... the difference is that mages tend to call their guilds clans... because they think they're special, or I accidently typed clan once instead of guild. You know, either or. Anyway, I'll type up a description of the order of the dragon's place after I get something to eat and go make a post in the Vera RP.

I still say any group trying to become vampires hunters would be crushed (Include pyromancers and paladins). It's not that hard for a vampire to surivive an attack. Just morph into a small animal and leave.

Edit - Am I going to have to come up with that the vampire captial (Where the council is) looks like? Technically the Vampire Clan is a guild...

For Paladins, easy answer, holy attacks. I don't care how strong a vamp is, when a powerful paladin starts using holy spells, there isn't a good defense.

For Pyromancers, same things I've said before.

And a last note, is there is strength in numbers. Vampires wouldn't worry until the hunters started attacking, and all the hunters need is numbers and plenty of paladins, clerics, and pyromancers, and they would definatly be an even match for any vampire. Vamps may be able to counter fire magic, but there isn't as effective a counter for cleric spells designed specifically and only to kill the undead. And if they weren't, all they have to do is stay on the surface during the day and they're immune to vampire attack, and at night with paladins and pyromancers, they have more then enough to keep them back until dawn. Also, if the vampires did anything to open and drastic like waging a massive war against a group of vampire hunters, others might get involved to fight the vampires, and while vampires may become numerous, a major coalition against them would crush them, thus why they always use secrecy over brute tactics.

... Vampires would not just all out attack, they would do ninja on the hunters. Morph into flies, shadow meld, get right in there while they are sleeping and slaughter them. (If they don't sleep, then back attack at least)

And I think your thinking to much of a 150% damage increase... You shot a fireball at a vampire, it won't just die

Edit - The hunters would probably be the brute tactics, while the vampires are the secercy.

No, but some sort of banish undead spell from a paladin would. I know fire would just do more damage then ususal, but it is sort of hard to counter attack when you are burning like a candle, and vampires a very susceptible to catching fire because of their weakness...

EDIT - Also, I assume not every vampire can do every vampire ability well at first, so there is probably a large portion that are relativly unskilled, a smaller group that can control lower level skills, and the smallest group of vampire elders that are masters of their skills and immune to sunlight. And do you think vampire hunters wouldn't have some sort of magical traps set up to keep out vampires?

Paladins can't banish, that is a priest/cleric thing. (And they are easy to kill, plus that banishing is usally only for ghost and possessions) And your fire spells involve chanting, and for anything past a fireball a vampire could secertly have been morphed into a fly then jump down at you before you can get the chant done.

Edit - If they are setting up traps, they are not out hunting, so the vampires have no problems. Vampires would not attack the middle of a base or something, they would get them while they are out in the woods travelling. (You would not be able to except a vampire attack)

Edit 2 - Innate to morphosis, meaning every vampire can do it.

I wouldn't assume transformation is instant, not just, "Turn to fly! *POOF*", but a slow morphing into a fly, so there is a good chance a pyromancer could complete their spell before the vampire is even transformed, or could toast the fly while it is in the air, since a fireball is a good sized attack, and flies are very fragile and die easily, or the mage could hold the spell at the lat word or two until the vamp appears, then let it go in his face.

EDIT - I vote we put and end to our debate since we are quickly filling up the thread, and it is already almost at the limit... This could all end up irrelevant once the RP starts.

There is no limit for the RP section. Mods come here rarely. I see 100+ threads all the time.

And as for the instant transformation, I think there would be. Any vampire I have ever seen/read turns from vampire to bat in a second (Usually just covers with cape then bat appears)

Edit - After all this, I want to see some hunters get ganged up by 100 vampires at night when they are taking a piss... (Which is a time the vampires would attack)

Edit 2 - Or some lucky hunters actually killing a vampire or two...

That's why hunters work in shifts...

Anyway, I do want to see that battle now. Of course, it would need to be a group of about ten since that is more reasonable then five or three... and wouldn't vampire hunters do most of their work during the day to banish vampires on the surface killing people? I don't think they would be stupid enough to go into vampire territory at their strongest at night, I would think they would travel by day and try to stake them while they were resting. I don't actually see the chances of a smart hunter group being killed that easily, but I could see a bunch of rookie idiots getting killed like that...

Smart Hunters: Vampires can't attack us during the day, so we will try to kill them during the day.

Idiot Hunters: There will be more vampires at night, so more for us to kill!

I actually support a vampire battle where they kill a bunch of fools that don't know what they're doing. He he, cleaning up the "noob" popualtion, he he he...