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Mannix 05-28-2007 04:33 AM

Homeland Security not doing its job?
 
Article:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CNN
From Scott Bronstein

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Claims of terrorism represented less than 0.01 percent of charges filed in recent years in immigration courts by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, according to a report issued Sunday by an independent research group.

This comes despite the fact the Bush administration has repeatedly asserted that fighting terrorism is the central mission of DHS.

The Transactional Records Action Clearinghouse said it analyzed millions of previously undisclosed records obtained from the immigration courts under the Freedom of Information Act.

Of the 814,073 people charged by DHS in immigration courts during the past three years, 12 faced charges of terrorism, TRAC said.

Those 12 cases represent 0.0015 percent of the total number of cases filed.

"The DHS claims it is focused on terrorism. Well that's just not true," said David Burnham, a TRAC spokesman. "Either there's no terrorism, or they're terrible at catching them. Either way it's bad for all of us."

The TRAC analysis also found that DHS filed a minuscule number of what are called "national security" charges against people in the immigration courts. The report stated that 114, or 0.014 percent of the total of roughly 800,000 individuals charged were charged with national security violations.

TRAC reported more than 85 percent of the charges involved more common immigration violations such as not having a valid immigrant visa, overstaying a student visa or entering the United States without an inspection.

According to the report by TRAC, which is affiliated with Syracuse University, the results show that there is an "apparent gap between DHS rhetoric about its role in fighting terrorism and what it actually has been doing."

DHS spokesman Russ Knocke called the TRAC report "ill-conceived" and said the group "lacked a grasp of the DHS mission."

Knocke said that, by clamping down on all forms of immigration, DHS has made it difficult for terrorists to come to the United States.

Seems to me most of what DHS is doing is Immigration's job. Although I do like that quote at the end though; cure the disease by killing the patient. Brilliant.

Melfice 05-28-2007 04:51 AM

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"The DHS claims it is focused on terrorism. Well that's just not true," said David Burnham, a TRAC spokesman. "Either there's no terrorism, or they're terrible at catching them. Either way it's bad for all of us."
In other words, DHS isn't doing enough to catch terrorists.
AND terrorists aren't... coming to the US to blow up stuff, and this is also bad?
Explanation? K'thx!

Also, clamping down on immigration is good to stop unwanted immigrants, but don't make it impossible, period, thank you.

Some of us would like to come to the US under good intentions.

Mirai Gen 05-28-2007 04:52 AM

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"The DHS claims it is focused on terrorism. Well that's just not true," said David Burnham, a TRAC spokesman. "Either there's no terrorism, or they're terrible at catching them. Either way it's bad for all of us."
OH GEE, NO TERRORISM?! IMAGINE THAT?

EDIOT:
Quote:

Explanation? K'thx!
Our foreign affairs are shit right now, and with us mucking our feet in the middle-east, there's never been a better time for an uprising in terrorism.

I kind of get it, but yeah the whole "There's no terrorism is bad for us all!" sticks out wrong for me too.

Mannix 05-28-2007 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen
OH GEE, NO TERRORISM?! IMAGINE THAT?

EDIOT:

Our foreign affairs are shit right now, and with us mucking our feet in the middle-east, there's never been a better time for an uprising in terrorism.

I kind of get it, but yeah the whole "There's no terrorism is bad for us all!" sticks out wrong for me too.

Agreed. No terrorism is, in fact, good. What I think the author meant by characterizing it as bad was that we have a giant government body pushing people around for no good reason if there are no terrorists. DHS is just another giant government body that isn't doing anything that existing bodies couldn't do as well or better. But they all have paychecks to justify so they're harassing almost 300,000 innocent immigrants a year.

ArlanKels 05-29-2007 11:09 PM

It's hard to say that they're doing their job well, when a large quantity of illegal immigrants just recently were granted allowance to remain in America, even though there was no documentation pertaining to these immigrants and any one of them could have been a member of the terrorist organizations.


I also read about a Cuban terrorist who blew up a plane, or at the very least attempted to, and is now currently living in Florida. If anyone knows what I'm talking about I'd love to see some hard facts on this...because if it's true that'd be kind of bad.

Tendronai 05-30-2007 08:18 AM

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Of the 814,073 people charged by DHS in immigration courts during the past three years, 12 faced charges of terrorism, TRAC said.

Those 12 cases represent 0.0015 percent of the total number of cases filed.
See, this kind of demonstrates that they aren't really doing their job. If I remember correctly (and I'm not sure, so if I'm wrong feel free to correct me) the chief mandate of the Department of Homeland Security was to protect against international threats against America, specifically terrorism. While it's nice to see that they're able to catch so many infractions, it looks like they've missed the main part of their mandate.

bass_virus 05-30-2007 11:41 AM

Wait if DHS is doing Immigration's job then what the hell is Immigration doing?

ArlanKels 05-31-2007 06:13 PM

What it's always done.


Leaving the door open and saying hello.

Xaeta 06-19-2007 08:10 PM

it's funny how we are the great welcomming center to the world where we require that you "bring us your starving, your poor...yearning to be free..." that kind of stuff. Yet now I think it reads "Closed for rennovations, come back 60 years ago."

Homeland Security I believe was established as a guise to the American public to make the citizens feel 'safe' because the government will stop another 9/11 incident. Yet, when inquired upon, Homeland Security hasn't done much for it and has only accused people in group A of terrorism and allowed people in groups B through G to stay in the United States.

We're just far too distracted by a government leadership that lied to the nation and declared war for the sake of dominating the Oil Industry.

ArlanKels 06-19-2007 08:42 PM

I live ten minutes away from a chemical plant.
Since 9/11 the security at that chemical plant has not tightened. In fact, it's probably worsened as the simplistic fence they use to surround their property is most likely developing holes due to poor maintenance.

Chemical plants are considered one of the top targets of terrorists given how easily they can be used to rapidly generate a disaster if proper explosive positioning is conducted within the plants.

However, Homeland Security has done nothing, nor has the rest of the government, to increase security in said places.


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