The family had a choice to let the company know beforehand. And you have no idea exactly what was discussed or the reasons behind his judgement.

And actually, I didn't say responsibility isn't pinned at the top. In fact, I said quite the opposite. I said if you're going to go up the ladder, let's go all the way. I said everyone involved is responsible. Don't tell me what I've spoken using words I didn't speak. You only make yourself appear as less worth my attention.

You want to sit here and argue the hithertos and the whyfores go ahead.

There are a dozen things the family could've done long before the event happened. You guys will, as so far have, ignore that and continue to limit your beliefs based on the event itself.

I'd love to see how you rationalize your little stepladder of responsibility. At least I gave a brief explanation of my process.

And I said I was pulling out due to being on a phone. I was not on the phones anymore so I stepped back again.

This is actually quite entertaining how heated you guys get while all I get out of this is a laugh. In truth I'm with Adamark, I don't give a fuck. But since no one else here seems to be willing to go toe to toe with you guys, why not a guy with nothing to lose.

Lastly, I would do something I knew would get someone killed if they have had 6-7 weeks to prevent it from happening. Don't like that, tough. The world won't stop cause you're incapable of moving out of it's way.

So. *hits the ball* Your turn ^.^

I just wanted to throw in something small here...

I've read most of the entire thread and there's a lot of emphasis on legal, moral, business, whatever...

I'm surprised Archbio didn't mention it, being so cold and hard. Moral and legal are not synonymous. Laws might follow from morals.

So what is being argued here is, separately, who is legally at fault? Who is morally at fault? Those could be too completely different things, or they could be the same thing, but they might be different in magnitude.

I don't know enough about the situation and the intricate details so bear with me, but...The company looks like they're at legal fault here. However, I might not award them full moral fault. If indeed the family didn't do everything in their power, and I stress here I don't know the details of whether they did or didn't, Sith says they did, others say they didn't, clearly you guys don't know either, but in that case I wouldn't put the company at total fault. Morally, however, under most normative theories anyway the technician should have refrained from cutting the power and investigated, himself if necessary.

That was one mighty fine Dickens sentence if I do say so myself.

Indeed the length of it is titanic. However it does raise a good point. And I think that is one reason why Sith and I got so heated at one point with each other.

Morally I will concede the technician was at fault. But I will also argue morally so was the family by waiting to the last minute (If it's proven they didn't I happily concede this as well).

Legally, the company and the technician did exactly as they were bound to by the usage agreements (again if medical paperwork was previously provided that should've safeguarded the woman, than I will concede. As there is a lack of such evidence currently, than I stand by it).

So I will happily concede that the company and technician are at fault if certain things can be proven. However, I don't believe in "good faith". They have to prove they did the right steps. Otherwise, I don't fault the company or the technician on a legal side.

Just over $100 dollars. Thats all it would have taken to keep this woman alive. Her family seems to have put forth NO EFFORT to actually raise that money. Whether or not they tried to get the company to keep her power on for free doesn't matter. Between them and everyone they know, they couldn't raise $122.

Yeah right. What really happened? The family was cheap, tried to take advantage of the system, and their dear old granny paid for it. The old lady didn't deserve it but her family sure as fuck does.

Prove that the family didn't try to get the money. It's more logical to assume that humans want to help their mother/wife than it is to assume they're apathetic and like watching her asphyxiate.

I didn't say they liked watching her asphyxiate. I said they didn't bother to raise the money. I know this for a fact because if my grandmother needed $122 to live (and I couldn't earn it in UNDER A FUCKING WEEK) I would find it for her, even if it meant begging in the street. Proof that they didn't try is that they failed.

Bullshit. Proof that they failed is that they failed. Proof that they didn't try is nothing at this point. The father, as has previously been mentioned, had to take off some work to take care of his ailing wife. And I don't think that because YOU can raise money, THEY can raise money. You are not they. Simple fact.

To Preturbed I will agree.

Again, supposing they didn't get the notices, they can not honestly expect us to accept that they just "forgot" to pay the bill, or that they couldn't. 122 dollars... I just made 122 dollars today at work.... even poor people should be able to scrap that much together. And if not, bank loans mebbe? they could pawn shop their goods. If they truly did care to the full extent of their abilities, she'd be alive.

As far as I'm concerned, they are just greedy and trying to latch onto a sue-happy trend that I hope gets shut down so fast they fee the door swing on their way out.

And to RDM I will also agree. HE is not THEY. THEY. More. Than. One.

Now you're giving them copouts and excuses. That's all bullshit as bullshit gets.

Let's say they find 4 people able to help them. That's 30 bucks a pop. 30 dollars I could make in ten minutes selling crap at a local pawn shop.

You want to call bullshit, sniff your own pile.

Look, its $122. It can be earned in 3 days digging ditches. At the beginning of this year I was so broke I couldn't buy gas to get back to my apartment. You don't get much poorer than that. But you know what? I bit the fucking bullet and worked a little. Maybe if the husband had done that she would have lived. If he REALLY couldn't get out of his house long enough to work, he could have gotten a loan from a friend, or a credit card. If you have no friends and are so far in debt that you can't get anything at all out of the bank, I as a taxpayer should not have to support your sorry ass.

Go to a pawn shop.
Sell an organ
Sell your body
sell your wife's body
eBay some crap.
Go to your local church, I'm sure once the paster/preacher/whatever get a good look at your granny they'll pay her power out of the offering plate for a while.

Point is, $122 isn't hard to raise no matter who you are.

Oh don't even start. Calling his argument bullshit and veiling insults through poinant words is as inflammatory as what he said. Seriously. If you want to go gradeschool, you really have lost all meat to your argument.