Don't you all realize that we cannot test this since there is no pirate class?

What about the Complete Adventurer's Dread Pirate prestige class?

Isn't that a prestige class and not a base class like the other two though?

Didn't we move on to monks?

Consider this: Other than history, when was the last time you saw a real ninja or a real pirate? Isn't it possible they were equals and both died in the clash, and thus neither is better than the other because both are dead?

Edit: Gah, we're expert ninjas

EDIT : Double ninja'd.

Do video games count?

Wasn't that more of a D&D reference than an epiphany?

Can't we all agree on one fact that due to the current rules in play monks and their grappling are superior to ninjas and their sudden strikes?

Have I pointed out that monks are the best because they still exist?

Why do you disbelieve the fact that there are people on the sea who raid ships for money?

Isn't that part of a fairy tale?

Though did you know they are not pirates in the literal sense that they don't pillage villages?

EDIT : Ninja'd again

Does anyone really care about land pirates compared to the reputation of pirates of the sea?

Did a fairy tell you such a tale?

What are we to now question what's right, isn't that what Wikipedia is for?

Do you seriously think Wikipedia is infallible?

If you were to splash water on Wikipedia and it were to melt, does that imply its a Witch?

In terms of determining which is better, couldn't one simply assume a gambler-class character like Setzer qualifies as a pirate, then compare said character to any number of FF ninja?


(Edit: HOW DO YOU GUYS TYPE SO FAST!? :gonk: )

Couldn't we also say that Faris would be a good benchmark of piracy?

But doesn't she assume many different classes, possibly including that of a ninja?

Didn't we just establish that ninja was a poor choice for power by the rules?

Since when did we start going by RPG classes for our resources?

EDIT : Ninja'd

What do you suggest we start using to make these decisions then, if not random RPG classes?

Is a surprise strike truly a surprise in a setting where you announce your attacks in advance?

Why would you have to announce the attacks in advance?

@ RMB: Wasn't that what this was all about?


Edit: @ Moogle: Isn't that in The Rules?

Does that really matter if you still get the bonus damage and other advantages?

EDIT : Triple ninja'd. That's the worst one so far.

Isn't announcing a sudden strike to the DM still to be considered a surprise within the game itself?

Wouldn't it be more surprising to the DM if you just started rolling extra dice and then explain when he asked what the hell you were doing?

Isn't that taking the ability a bit too seriously out of game and thus defeat the purpose of the game having rules?

Wouldn't it be great if NPF had a dice feature for posts like Gaia's?


(Actually, I'd go for it. Up to 20 dice at a time, in flavors of d4, d6, d8, d10, d12, d20, and d100.)

Isn't that what metagaming is for?

EDIT: Ninja's abound today!

Who else is in favor of ostracizing Blues for that last suggestion?

EDIT : Ninja'd again. AGAIN.

Isn't the purpose of metagaming to find various loopholes in the rules so you can exploit ideas the writers thought were too obviously stupid to use?

By "metagaming," you mean...?

Would it help if I asserted that die rolls cannot be changed?

Wouldn't he mean something along the lines of godmoding?

Why are there two names for the same thing?

Who else thinks that with Tendronai's constant being ninja'd proves the superiority between pirates and ninjas?

Doesn't the fact that I keep returning show the resilience of pirates and demonstrate how they must indeed prove victorious?

Who else thinks we would benefit from not talking about something thats been argued since the dawn of time?

Are you suggesting a change of subject, then?

What else do you think it would mean?

Should we take a vote on what the next subject matter will be?

EDIT : Ninja'd.

Since when did we use democracy for anythin around here?

Would anyone be willing to talk about how ridiculous it would be if we could literally travel into the internet?

Do you mean like in ReBoot?

But since we're users, how is that anything like ReBoot?

Didn't you know I meant in the sense that we jump in big ships and travail the seas of the Internet, perhaps plundering a few .org's for much-needed booty?

Were we to be injured, would we return to our bodies with the same inflicted harm ala Friday the 13th? If so, would this tempt you to meet someone in this discussion?

Are you implying that I'd follow the same path as Freddy Kreuger?

Why did you dodge the question? Guilty conscience?

Would anyone be stunned if I was referring more to Futurama?

Would you like me to admit right out that I would, in fact, brutally murder whoever I ran into over the Internet just for some cheap thrills and justify it to myself as 'revenge'?

EDIT : I thought we were done with the ninja'ing! Come on!

Although a Futurama type internet would be fun, isn't it difficult to multi-task when you're 'physically' there?

And why does it need to be revenge?

In a sense yes but you would be physically doing things so wouldn't it better you were all in one place?

EDIT : I think we've proved this game doesn't work if there's more than two people.

But don't you need to be seperate from it just in case something goes wrong?

What about a system that ejected your mind in case such a thing happened?

OUT OF YOUR SKULL?! Isn't that a bit extreme for Freddy?

Didn't you know "Extreme" is his middle name?

Isn't Freddy from the Nightmare on Elm Street series and not Friday the 13th?

There's a difference between the two?

Are you implying that there is no difference between a burn victim killer who kills you via turning your dreams into nightmares versus a hockey masked killer who wanders around Camp Crystal Lake chopping camp counselors up into pieces?

Can I convince you that there really isn't a difference because in the end their victims are dead?

Isn't it amusing that a Burn Victim and a Drowning Victim are ultimately considered the Horror Movie rivals?

Indeed, it is - shouldn't there have been someone with a unique type of death to get in that bracket?

Are you suggesting that you can create a more memorable horror movie?

How hard could it be?

Tell me then, what is your idea of a better horror movie based off of that?

If I told you, would you try to steal it for yourself?

Didn't you copyright it yet?

How can I when I spend all my time here playing this game?

With that knowledge, would I be considered evil if I DID want to steal the idea for my own since it is not copyrighted?

Would you rather discuss morality next, or how you would steal the idea given that I haven't actually told you anything about the movie?

What topic is more pleasing to you?

But I wanted to let you decide - why are you rejecting my generous offer of letting you pick the topic?

Could it be because I really am evil?

So, is that a vote for the morality discussion, then?

I can't argue with that now can I?

Couldn't you follow my fine example and argue a point just for spite, even as you know that your point isn't really worth defending?

Is there really much point arguing over the fact that the next discussion really should be about morality and perhaps even whether or not I am considered to be evil?

Isn't the fact that I'm about to argue against it show that there is indeed a point?