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Sesshoumaru 06-29-2007 02:54 PM

U.N. Blames Darfur Massacre on Global Warming
 
I'll preface this by saying that I'm unfamilar with the hosting site for this article: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...cle=1&catnum=0 so I'm actually not sure if its a hoax or not, but its in line with all the other bullshit the UN does, so I'm inclined to believe its legit. My question is, WTF?

My second question is: Who else here thinks its past time that the US withdraws from the corrupt, ineffectual, and often downright false organization that the UN has become?

ArlanKels 06-29-2007 03:39 PM

Isn't the US one of the few nations that can not no matter what be removed from the UN if it doesn't want to be?

Sesshoumaru 06-29-2007 03:47 PM

Yup, we're on the Security Council with permenent status, where we can veto stuff without the fear that the dozens of nations that automatically vote against whatever we try to do in the General Council can't override us (of course, it also means that other nations such as China and Russia have veto power over whatever we try to do, so its not really a victory). Of course, since the majority of all all UN actions is bankrolled by the US and done with a majority of US troops, if the US left the UN, it would really screw them over. Of course since the UN doesn't really do anything of import anyway, it doesn't really matter. Personally I'm greatly outraged that the US is still a part of an organization that is opposed to pretty much everything the US has traditionally stood for, and composed of members that villify the US continusously.

Ugainius 06-29-2007 03:50 PM

Well it makes sense to me. Seriously in that part of the world its a dog eat dog situation. UN is basically saying that drought is the main cause of the massacre, which it was.

Also what do you "corrupt, ineffectual, and often downright false organization that the UN has become"? If you are going to make accusations like that you better have something to back it up.

Fifthfiend 06-29-2007 05:02 PM

Seriously what's so far-fetched about war over water?

It's not like that isn't basically what the Israeli / Palestinian fighting has been about for decades now.

Or is it just that the article mentions climate change? I mean, they used to have a lot more rain, and now they don't, ergo, the climate changed.

If you want to argue against the existence of man-made climate change then that's sort of a separate issue. Inasmuch as the UN acknowledges that there is such a thing as man-made climate change, attributing the situation in Darfur to its effects is an entirely reasonable claim.

Sesshoumaru 06-29-2007 05:14 PM

I had an argument ready to answer ugainius's last line, but my broswer f'ed up and cleared it. SInce I'm lazy and don't want to retype everything, just try these to search for yourself, it'll take a few minutes to found the most prominant ones:
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/sear...i&q=un+scandal
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...5/081zxelz.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ecurity_issues

Then theres the whole 'lets give China and other blatant human rights abuses prominent positions on the Human Rights Council where they can veto any attempt to actually enforce human rights.'

Serously, the UN's a fucking joke, and anyway who pays attention knows it (which is why the UN has completely failed to do pretty much everything it was established to do). It can't stop nations like Iran, China, and N. Korea from abusing the fuck out of human rights, and it doesn't bother with stopping the 'little human rights abuses' like Rwanda and Darfur.

Ugainius 06-29-2007 05:50 PM

UN has succeeded in reducing violence as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ecurity_issues

A point on Rwanda
Quote:

Originally Posted by wikipedia
In the wake of the Rwandan Genocide, the international community, and the United Nations in particular, drew severe criticism for its inaction. Despite international news media coverage of the violence as it unfolded, most countries, including France, Belgium, and the United States, declined to prevent or stop the massacres. Canada continued to lead the UN peacekeeping force in Rwanda, United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda (UNAMIR). Despite specific warnings and requests from UNAMIR's commanding officers in Rwanda, before and during the genocide, the UN Security Council refused to send additional support, declined UNAMIR's request for authorization to intervene, and even scaled back UNAMIR's forces and authority. The only foreign entity to directly intervene was the French government, which sent troops not to stop the genocide, but rather to protect the genocidal Rwandan armed forces from the invading rebels that ultimately ended the bloodshed


Bob The Mercenary 06-30-2007 09:07 AM

For the record, Breitbart.com is a trusted news source. It's where I get most of mine from so the story's accurate.

Sesshoumaru 07-01-2007 02:50 PM

Found more examples of UN 'peacekeeping.'
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/un-...390145310.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=42088
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6195830.stm
http://infowars.net/articles/january...0107UN_Sex.htm

Demetrius 07-01-2007 02:55 PM

RWanda was a civil war wasn't it? The US doesn't step into those, and when it does we get burned hard (Vietnam, Korea, Iraq) and stay out of them for a while.


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