You're really enjoying this whole slave-owner thing, aren't you?

Yes. Especially with this new knowledge.

I'll bet he's writing erotic slashfic on the RP about his slaves as we discuss this.

I just hope he doesn't feel the need to post any of it...

Well, it would make a good Omake...

It would make a disturbing omake...

And my guy is a mage, a pyromantic mage, I can easily resist you long enough to turn you, the other slaveowners, and everyone in that observation box to ash before you could break me.

And A. How do you plan on controlling fire IHMN, and B. How does controling fire work, krylo?

I think it's hard to cast spells with a large headache while your dreaming about nightmares and your ego has been whipped... Plus there are four water nymphs in the room, four water shields mixed into one.

And this is it.

Control Flames -- May make a flame hotter/colder, and at higher levels gain immunity from fire-based spells. At even higher levels may turn fire- based spells back on the attacker, and create fire based attacks from torches, and at the highest levels may create 'creatures' from the flame.

So as a pyromantic mage, couldn't I just throw up a fire shield and continue my burnination while he reflects them back at me? Actually, couldn't I throw up a fire shield, then just leap at him? And it would strain you too much to control 4 water nymphs (Weak, but it is four of them), and to try and control/distract me (A strong resistor, who would get a headache, but could cast an instant fire spell and not worry about thinking it out at all.)

I think he plans on using it under the psychokinesis section of powers. The control fire ability.

And, I already explained back in the day when IHMN was looking through powers... low ability gives moderate control over natural flames, medium gives lots of control over natural flames and some control over magical flames, high gives good control over magical and perfect over natural... but the magician's ability conflicts with the psionics, so even a skilled fire controller could be hit by an equally skilled mage.

And... if I had to rationalize the exact mechanics... they control flame by forming 'walls' of air about it, and redirecting it around like that. Kind of like a flame will stop and turn if you put a piece of metal against it...

Edit: Late post... damned tv distracting me.

And I agree with FZ... if you had to control them, it'd take awhile for them all to get their shields up, and it would drain you.

A fight between your two characters wouldn't be very cut and dry. It'd probably be very messy and involve lots of things burning down...

Forever, that is where legs come in. See, he will move from the confused idiot who is on fire jumping at him,.

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O_o *shudder*
Just leave Aidelyn (and/or anything pertaining to me) out of any of that.

So if Aidelyn was to look into Vlad's eyes and he was to mesmorize her, she would go all melty in love (or something like it) for him? But after the mesmorization is over, they go back to their old feelings for the person, right?

She'd actually go all melty in lust... or maybe all "RAR! SEX!" *LEAP!* at him. Um... depends upon how she'd react to the sexiest man she's ever seen, but yes, once it was over, you'd go back to old feelings... unless you tried to grasp at the false ones. Kind of like people that think they're in love when it's just lust, the lust dies off... and they try to grasp at the 'love'.

We'll just have to test this out then.

You misunderstand, I wouldn't be on fire, I would cast...

fire shield--Fire--Creates an aura of flame around the caster which harms anyone attacking the caster. It can be destroyed with water, avoided by long weapons, destroys wood weapons, and gives complete protection from ice and cold.

Then I would basically attack you at melee range. If my guy grabbed you guy with this spell cast, I would burn him to a crisp in seconds, since it is practically the same as catching your body completely on fire.

Destroyed by water, four water nymphs (They will atleast protect themselves), Vlad is faster then Zalbag... I think Vlad will get away.

Edit - It's a big room...

Ah, Presence and Dominate. Nasty skilz for vamps to have.

On a side note, there is an application of Dominate called Conditioning... you turn a repeatedly Dominated victim into your mindless slave.

Alternatively, you could always use the Blood Bond... although it requires drinking a vamp's blood on three separate occasions. It can be broken by true love, though.

And another thing - in VtM vampires suffer from a reaction called Rotschreck when confronted with fire. So Vlad would be a mindless screaming coward if he saw FZ's burninating body.

Of coruse, since, this isn't VtM, anything goes... although Rotschreck does make sense, given that fire and sunlight are anathema to vamps...

Yah, we're gonna go without conditioning (at least through dominate... although it'd still be possible in more... mundane ways. You know, torture and shit), and blood bonds. And the whole fear of fire thing.

As I see their characters currently, Zalbag and Vlad are about equally matched... and it would really just matter who managed to succeed in an attack first...

And where are Jareth and Ren... Ren's character on level of power?

Fear of Fire is in! Booyah!

Jareth is a bit past you guys currently... like I said, he's not getting to be any stronger, where everyone else does... because he's too lazy/doesn't care enough to work on being stronger.

Renesival is currently weaker than any of you, but with a little character development she'll be equal to, or beyond.

And Ren herself, being a GM and all, pwnz j00 411!

And no, no fear of fire, either.

Will Jo, Aidelyn, and Rovail be getting anything to give them a boost? Because compared to us magic (And one psionic) people, they aren't much...

Oh, without fear of fire... Dang it... Got my hopes up and everything...

Rov I have something planned for, Aidelyn and Jo I'm still trying to think of something to even them out a bit more. That reminds me, I need to PM Ecurt...

Also, I'm not sure totally what Aidelyn specializes in, seeming as she only has a little bit of magic, and doesn't seem to be doing much more than looking pretty... so... I might just present her with a make-up case or something, if I can't figure out what skills she's suppose to have.

Well, you could make her look even prettier, then give Vlad more of a power boost and she can just stay near him...

Or IHMN could stop with his thinly veiled attmepts to increase his power, or Zalbag will begin a quest for rings that increase his fire magic further, leading to an escalation of powers until we are both Gods that walk the earth, when not even the God of Destruction can stand before our might!...

Soo, how easy would it be to split the world between two conquering dictators... kidding, of course...

Hey, if I went on a quest for magic rings next, that would give Jad the opening he needs in the Omake to slip in a LOTR "Precious" moment...

Jad was right, you all hate running jokes...

And I don't see you giving krylo any help for his problem. Sure my suggestion sucked, but at least I tried.

Edit - You could just give Jo a fancy (Meaning magic) sword or whatever type of weapon he uses.

1. Yeesh, someone is in a foul mood.

2. I like running jokes, I don't know where you got that from.

3. She isn't an actual mage, so I can't think of anyhting right this second. Just allow her some sort of quasi water powers, not as much as an actual water mage, but maybe closer to water control. If there is a pool of water, she could manipulate it. Start off with weak, and let her build up. She won't be as strong as others in the end, but it will make her stronger. After all, she is a water nymph, it makes sense that she can manipulate water to some degree.

1. Foul mood would involve swearing. (And much more then anything over the internet can bring, except for viruses)

2. Well, I've been trying to get power increases the entire time, so I called it a running joke since Jad had mentioned that in the omake thread (It's not really though).

3. krylo I think wants to stay away from giving more people magic (Seeing as 4 out of 7 know magic). She can get a fancy weapon too... I don't know...

That and some armor is my current plan, but if I can, I'd rather make HIM stronger, instead of just tossing some magic equipment his way.

Well, so far all she's done is be the 'rebellious new slave', so... You could... No idea, we'll have to ask Celes...

Ok, for Jo, he finds some magic seeds which gives him 2x in all physical stats.

Well we could wait for Celes to maybe post something more, but without any more information, that is the first thing that comes to mind when I think of a water nymph, controlling water. I don't know what a 'stronger' water nymph would do, so I'm just sort of guessing at it.

And that sounds good on the Jo front. Just make him physically stronger works fine. Throwing magic artifacts doesn't make them stronger, just better equipped.

EDIT: In response to Ecurt's post... since when have orcs been "Furry"?

For Ecurt... For one, the weapons are blunt. You aren't spliting any skulls with those weapons... And if you did kill him, Vlad would probably declaw you along with many other things, seeing as now he would have to completely dominate the short, bald man so he doesn't get completely pissed off and force Vlad to kill him. (Making Vlad do more work then he has to, he does not like that)

And if you read the orcs bio thing, it says they are big, furry, pig faced people.

Alright, I missed the bio saying their furry. Just never heard of a furry orc before...

I don't know... it said they were furry in the stuff I looked up. When I think furry orcs, I just think really out of control body hair.

I've been thinking of Ganon from that old, crappy Zelda cartoon, then making him furry...

And is Ch. 2 coming soon? (Once it does, the tournament will be almost over since I want to get it over with...)

Nymph powers... well, why not just give Aidelyn "Blinding Beauty" and "Unearthly Beauty"?

Blinding Beauty basically means that if she decides to turn the charm on, anyone looking at her is immediately blinded, given that they have just seen a veritable goddess of beauty and their eyes can't process the information.

Unearthly Beauty means that when Aidelyn disrobes, anyone seeing her dies in transcendent ecstasy, being that the mortal incarnation of incomparable bliss has revealed her true nature to them.

Oh wait, Aidelyn's a nereid, not a nymph, right? Then we'll have to use something like a "Drowning Embrace" and a "Siren Call" power...

Drowning Embrace means that anyone she embraces will die of drowning unless she doesn't want to use the power. Considering who is embracing them, there aren't much better ways to go.

Siren Call is exactly what it implies - a siren's call. FYI, Siren here refers to the Greek Sirens... after hearing them, no music or sound can EVER compare to their song, and you'll crawl over a hundred miles of broken glass and acidic lava just to hear it again.

Well, a nereid is a sea nymph, so it's not that much of a difference... And those seem a little odd, especially the first two...

And Greek Sirens didn't make you want to hear it again over anything, just if you hear it you will want to go to the Sirens and do as they say (I think). Once you are out of their songs range nothing is different...

I like the water control like Forever Zero said. ^^

But my character really is a weakling, isn't she? Maybe she could have some sort of healing magic, since water is usually associated with healers, and... ooh! *runs to shelf-o-mangas to see what Rune the water faery-guy can do*

Phooey, I don't have the right volume with me, but in Dragon Knights, Rune, the water knight/faery guy can do this cool thing with these orbs of water... I'm not positive on how they work exactly, I'll have to look it up when I find the right volume.

So maybe some water control, but only when she's actually around water (unlike a mage she can't just summon up water from nowhere) and then she can have slight healing magic perhaps?

Second Chapter will be up either later tonight or tomorrow... depending on how lazy I am...

And Celes, some things that nerieds would be good at: Thievery, speed based combat, and espionage. Nerieds aren't exactly a 'strong' race, either in magic or physical combat. Some healing magic I'll allow, but you won't be too good at it, and I'm thinking you may only know a VERY little bit now and get a bit better in time.
The control of water, well, it's not a thing I had planned for the race, so it would be a sepcial thing you know. Hmmmm... I'll think about it. This is sounding a lot like magic which would make 5 out of 7 people mages when I didn't want mages...
In all reality, you don't need to be that powerful, if you don't mind being kind of wussy... We're just trying to think of ways to make you useful in combat.

Edit: New discussion thing will go up with the new chapter. Also: I'm not going to add race powers to make a character more powerful, because that makes everyone in their race more powerful, and, in the case of nerieds and nymphs, will make Vlad more powerful... which would mean making everyone else even MORE powerful to account for that, yada yada. Plus, it means very little in the way of the PC being 'special' or whatever.

Well, don't worry about the mage-y things, since you don't want any more mages. She could just has very weak healing spells, and maybe she could learn how to weild a dagger or something, and she could fight in close combat, using the speed thing you were mentioning before. Also the espionage thing would be good too.

I don't mind really being sorta wussy, just as long as I'm not useless.

(but if I can find out about the cool thing with the water balls that Rune from dragon knights can do, can I maybe do that (it's nothing really special or powerful, and I'll post what it does once I find it so you can give the ok on it.)

She could be the spy/thief... For whatever reason Vlad will take a shine to her, and give her some special training in espionage. Planning on having some specialized slaves anyway (Though not in espionage, more like healing and healing magic...).

So she would be the spy of the group (Though Vlad can do it to with morphing...).

And a neried can do it with a shake of her ass and a flick of her hair... that's why I said they'd make good spies... and thieves because they have very high dexterity and agility.

Still, you would need some training... Aidelyn doesn't seem like an ass shaking, hair flicking girl, and not much of a thief...

She has the natural ability, just not the knowledge.

Edit - WHen you are making all the races better, does that include vampires?

I should probably come in as a WoD Antediluvian and school everyone in being a badass vamp...

Nah, that's just lame.

Another thing - spies and thieves aren't supposed to be noticed... so if the booty-shaking and hair twirling goes on too long, it might work against her...

I said I wouldn't make any races better because then I'd have to make them all better, and then we'd end up with the original PC of said race being weak again.

True, but it would help her get into places, etc. Assassination is another thing she'd be good at.

You already gave me a retroactive boost if IHMN tried to daydream me I'd whoop his ass.

I don't disagree. I rememebr seeing a D&D item called "Lipstick of the Nereid" that allowed its user to deliver a fatal kiss (drowning death at some save or other)...

So... Celes is going to be an spy who uses her looks to get near her targets, then kills them and uses her thief like agility and dexterity to get away?

Sounds good to me! Also she could use her ability to become one with the water to help her spy.

I'm surprised IHMN didn't camment on my claim.

There is no point on argueing because you over estimate your tail. (Or maybe I underestimate it)

And Celes, will your character already be good at doing those things, or will she need some training (Provided by Vlad/Vlad's slaves)?

She'll probably need some help or training, realistically. Even though she is rather rebellious, she lived a fairly sheltered life and would never think of doing such things.

For some reason I get the idea that Jormungand's tail is some form of overcompensation...

Ninja Girl Celes? Interesting...

Well, Atha can teach Aidelyn to be slutty... Vlad can help with that as well. Then for assassinating parts Vlad would teach that... And for the moving around quitely, I guess Rovial could do some of that, as well as other nymph slaves who used to be assassins.


Edit - What would Jad's guy be compansating for? Everything waist down is snake.

I wasn't refering to my tail. I was refering to sending a dreamwalker a daydream he'd reverse it. Dream travel trumps day dream.

...Wow finally caught up. IHMN: MESMERIZE. MES-MER-IZE. Not memorize!


Also, on using mesmerize on Renesival:

I'm not sure how well it would work, actually. On the one hand, Seelies DO worship beauty. On the other, since she's surrounded by beauty beyond that of any mortal person or object every day, she might be a bit jaded to it...Dunno. Must think on that.

If it were me, though. I'd be doomed. I'm a drooling fangirl-type. -.-

What is a dreamwalker? It really wouldn't do anything with daydream, seeing as day dreaming isn't really dreaming, just it makes the person get distracted easily. And there are many more telepathic tricks he could still use anyway.

And isn't the point of mesmerize (No idea I was spelling it wrong... Wish some one would have pointed it out earlier) to make the vampire using it seem better then anything else the victim has seen?

I think the concepts of murder and deception is what Celes' character really needs help on. She has the abilities, and the skills could easily be improved through practice, but to getting her to kill or deceive something (from what I've seen) will be hard.

PS - Couldn't the tail act as a substitu...actually, I'll stop these questions now. This is not a conversation I know a majority of the guys would want to talk about.

Edit-Dreamwalker. I'm supposing that might possibly have to do with somewhat prophetic visions, as well as the usual entering the mindscape of an unconscious person.

Edit 2-Mesmerize would likely be harder to do on some than others, and it may be possible to build up an immunity. Dunno myself, just guessing.

Tails don't have the correct nerves for that (So it would do nothing for the Naga), and it would be far to large most likely to fit correctly. A couple of inches might fit, but after that it would rip the girl apart.

And she would need the skills to, having lived a sheltered life. She just have the ability, not the skills or knowledge.

IHMN: True. But if you were just SURROUNDED by gorgeous stuff everyday, seeing something even more gorgeous would affect you, just how much I'm not sure. I need to ask Kry-baby about that, and if anything like love would have any effect on it.

Also it's not like I'd let vlad get close enough to mesperize me either. Dream travel means I can enter dreams, deliver messages, and either fight the person in the dream realm, or give them nightmares.

Ren: Good point... Though does mesmerize only include physical attraction, or anything (krylo's description does include mind), so would that make the target see the vampire more attractive in other features (Like for Renesvil and Jareth, obviously most of it is that Jareth is from the outside, and is bringing new ideas and such to the sheltered Ren)

Jad: Mesmerize only works on those who are attracted to the sex of the vampire in the first place. And since when does Jo have psionic abilities?

Edit - And even if he can enter Vlad's dreams, don't you think he might be able to overpower Jo, especially in his own mind?

Read the description of Stalkers again. It also concerns his past which is on a need to know basis and you don't need to know. Krylo knows and i'm not sure if he told Ren.

Also your not in your mind. Your in the realm of dreams. Jo knows the rules of the dream realm better than you. It's like fighting Freddy Krueger, well not that bad, but you get the idea. I don't think he could actualy kill you in reality if he killed you in your dream.

You know, I'm not sure if kry-baby is suppose to be derogatory or endearing...

Anyway: Strong emotions would have an effect on it, varying depending on each person. This doesn't go just for love, but for anything having to do a strong emotion. For instance, let's say x woman HATES Vlad with a vengence. Like, she wants to cut his testicles off and feed them to him kind of hate, mesmerize isn't going to suddenly make her like him. Maybe 'want' him... but not like him or give in to him. Same goes for love for someone else... it may attract them to him, and make it harder to resist him, but the love would help that person resist. In other words, their resistances would be weakened either way, but not as much.

Does Ejection and/or Conceal Thoughts include dreams?

And Freddy Krueger can be beat, and has been by kids. Vlad is better then kids...

Let's say I enter your dreams and ruitenly use my knowledge of the rules to beat the crap out of your dream self. Hit you with your worst nightmares etc. You'd probably develop an massive aversion or fear of Jo.

Ejection counts for dreams... but, as that you'd be, you know, sleeping... and sleeping isn't the best for concentrating, it would take you a little while to realize what was going on and eject him. Conceal thoughts... well, I don't know how you could keep it up while sleeping.

Also, killing you in your dream would just make you wake up in a panic. It really wouldn't accomplish much...

Edit: Ok, fine, so it could accomplish something.

How did I miss Jad's char suddenly picking up semi-psychic powers...

that's what I thought. but it would be useful for scaring the crap out of someone. as I said my Psionics are mostly useless. unless I want to do some long range scouting. Which Jo does for a living.

Because he PMed me about part of Jormungand's (am I spelling that right?) past, that grants him two (relatively useless) psionic abilities and limited abilities in astrology, and I ok'd it. I'd say more, but it seems he doesn't want you guys to know about his past, or he'd have mentioned it earlier instead of saying 'that you don't need to know'.

Still, dreams involve the dreamers mind, so Vlad still has some control over it. The first time Jo did it he might not notice, but after that I doubt it would be as effective.

And couldn't Vlad tell the difference between a natural dream and one created by an outside force?

Edit - The other one is Astral Projection isn't it?

Aura reading, actually. And yes, you'd probably be able to tell, but every time you would start out a little bit confused, because it's a dream... and it would be like you're working in that state between sleep and awake. You know, the one where you wake up sometimes and you don't know where you are or why you're there, even though you're in your own bed?

Going by Shadowrun definiton, Astral Projection is projecting yourself into the stream of magic itself, and you send your purest magical form to scout around, free of physical obstacles. For the purposes of this RPG, I don't know what Astral Projection would relate to.

Nope, never happened to me.

Never? It's happened to me. I have trouble sleeping though, which is why I'm posting here at 12:19 when I should be sleeping...

Well, you usually don't remember it. How about this, ever had someone tell you that they woke you up, asked you if you wanted to go out to eat or whatever, and that you said "no", but you have no memory of that?

Basically, it'd take a minute to sort out your thoughts and eject him... and it would always take a minute unless he did it like every day. Then you'd start getting used to it.

Alright, I'm not trying to be critical, and I'm laughing while I say this, but does anyone else realize that we have filled three discussion threads, and are about to go on to four, yet haven't finished one RP thread yet?...

In response to FZ (since I have no doubt I've lagged),

Not really. It means that we aren't really using the RP thread as a place to argue and we're really involved in the RP. Both are good things.

Oh-and IHMN, do you want me to just post the next fight myself, or do you want to introduce the contenders once again?

Sometimes I stop halfway and wonder "Why the hell am I even here?"
Then my bunkmate tells me to shut up and keep digging, and so I do.

And I suppose you should make a fourth thread, seeing as this one is 157 posts long (as of mine)...

That's going to be in Ch. 2, since Vlad is going to win something which will cause him to go get his psychokeniesis amulet thing.

So you just win yours in a bet? Why didn't I think of that, instead of a trap filled Vault...