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Mannix 10-11-2007 09:07 AM

The Swift-Boating of Graeme Frost
 
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Originally Posted by TIME.com
If you listen closely to the two-minute radio address that 12-year-old Graeme Frost delivered last week for the Democrats, you can hear the lingering effects of the 2004 car crash that put him into a coma for a week and left one of his vocal chords paralyzed. "Most kids my age probably haven't heard of CHIP, the Children's Health Insurance Program," he says in a voice that sounds weak and stressed. "But I know all about it, because if it weren't for CHIP, I might not be here today."

Graeme, whose sister suffered worse brain injuries when their family SUV hit a patch of black ice, was making an appeal for President Bush to reconsider his veto of legislation that would have expanded the program designed to provide health coverage to children of the working poor — those who are too rich to qualify for Medicaid, but unable to afford private insurance.

Since then, Frost and his family have been introduced first-hand to something else that most kids his age haven't: the reality of how brutal partisan politics can be in the Internet age. It started over the weekend, when a blogger calling himself Icwhatudo put up a post on the conservative website Freerepublic.com noting what he had found by scavenging around the internet: that Graeme attends a private school, lives in a remodeled house near one that had sold for $485,000 in March and is the child of parents whose wedding was announced in the New York Times. The post also noted that his father purchased a $160,000 commercial space in 1999.

"One has to wonder that if time and money can be found to remodel a home, send kids to exclusive private schools, purchase commercial property and run your own business... maybe money can be found for other things," the blogger wrote. "Maybe Dad should drop his woodworking hobby and get a real job that offers health insurance rather than making people like me (also with 4 kids in a 600sf smaller house and tuition $16,000 less per kid and no commercial property ownership) pay for it in my taxes."

That was just the beginning of what turned into a Category 5 hurricane on the blogosphere. Typical of the tone was what Mark Steyn wrote on National Review Online: "Bad things happen to good people, and they cause financial problems and tough choices. But, if this is the face of the 'needy' in America, then no one is not needy." Nameless commenters to conservative blogs were even harsher. "Let 'em twist in the wind and be eaten by ravens," wrote one one on Redstate.com, who was quoted in the Baltimore Sun. "Then maybe the bunch of socialist patsies will think twice."

It turns out, however, that not everything about the Frosts' life pops up on a Google search. While Graeme does attend a private school, he does so on scholarship. Halsey Frost is a self-employed woodworker; he and his wife say they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year to provide for their family of six. Their 1936 rowhouse was purchased in 1990 for $55,000. It was vacant and in a run-down neighborhood that has improved since then, in part because of people like themselves who took a chance. It is now assessed at $263,140, though under state law the value of that asset is not taken into account in determining their eligibility for SCHIP. And while they are still uninsured, they claim it is most certainly not by choice. Bonnie Frost says the last time she priced health coverage, she learned it would cost them $1,200 a month.

In short, just as the radio spot claimed, the Frosts are precisely the kind of people that the SCHIP program was intended to help.

While the family continues to support the vetoed bill that would expand the program to 4 million more children, they are hoping to remove themselves from the middle of the storm. After giving a few interviews, Halsey and Bonnie Frost now say they don't want to say anything more, though network camera crews have planted themselves in front of their house.

Halsey did have this to say in an e-mail to me:

"My son Graeme has helped put on a human face, that of a young boy, representing the needs of children and families across this nation. We are a hard working family that has stepped forward to support SCHIP. Mudslinging from the fringe has now been directed at the messenger. To be smeared all over the Internet and receive nasty e-mail — my family does not deserve this retribution. It is both shameful and pathetic.

"Driven by a most dubious agenda, shortsighted cut-and-paste bloggers, lacking all the facts, have made a feeble attempt at being crack reporters. This is an aberrant attempt to distract the American people from what the real issues are. Hard working American families need affordable health insurance.

"I find it morally reprehensible, and the act of a true coward, to publicly (world wide) smear a man and his family and not sign one's own real name to what they have written. I sign my name to what I write.

-Halsey Frost"

He also passed along a letter from a friend, Andrew Gray, who wrote: "Chances are, Bonnie, Halsey and their kids will survive this. The sad reality is that they've already been through much worse. But what does it say about us as a nation that we seek to destroy the reputations of those we should honor? Have we become so cynical and nasty that we no longer can recognize simple courage and decency?"

Politics has never been a gentle game. As far back as 1895, satirist Finley Peter Dunne's fictional saloonkeeper Martin Dooley observed that women, children and prohibitionists would do well to stay out of it, because "politics ain't beanbag." But surely, even Mr. Dooley could never have imagined a day would come when a mere seventh grader could be swift-boated.

How can people be that threatened by a middle schooler? It's not like he was threatening an anthrax jihad on orphans; he was merely expressing his support for a government program that saved his family a financial nightmare and his life. I realize part of it is John Gabriel's Internet Theorem, but that can't account for all of it. I've never understood why people are so afraid of "communism" and "socialization," especially to the point where they'd like to see children lynched and eaten by wild animals.

Lord of Joshelplex 10-11-2007 09:19 AM

Becasue they are idiots. I dont care if I get banned, I think all people like that are fucking retards who dont care at all for the people of their own god damned country.

Demetrius 10-11-2007 10:22 AM

The problem I have in situations like this is the tendency for people to let their feelings make their decisions and not reason. Bringing in the kid is about as low as you can get; what kind of a monster would deny that poor child his benefits? In this case I agree with the legislation and the tax being placed only on cigarettes, I disagree with the tactics being used. For every one Graeme there is out there there are a thousand kids whose parents do the responsible thing and get gainful employment. In the case of Graeme's family, I have to say I do not agree with them having 6 (!) children and not having health care, that is downright irresponsible.

Fifthfiend 10-11-2007 10:27 AM

The parents are gainfully employed.

They don't have health care cause health care is, well, obscenely expensive, even for many people who are gainfully employed.

This is the entire point of the SCHIP legislation.

These parents are only irresponsible to the extent that responsible = "don't have any kids, ever."

I mean last I checked, being gainfully employed in a stable marriage and raising several children was, like, the actual definition of responsible. I mean I'm pretty sure that's even the Republican Party's own definition of responsible.

It's just that for whatever reason, the Republican Party's leadership is against policies that make it possible to live in the way that they themselves deem responsible.

Also I'm not sure what the issue is with the tactics; every time any politician sells a policy they get some family or bunch of kids or whoever to stand on stage and say something nice about the policy.

The only way this differs from any major policy proposal in the last seven years is that the President Bush usually puts a bunch of kids on stage to promote policies that make lots of kids worse off, whereas the Democrats are using children to promote a policy that actually helps a lot of children.

Honestly this is the worst fake controversy since "OMG DID YOU KNOW NANCY PELOSI SOMETIMES FLIES IN AIRPLANES? DESPITE BEING A FEMALE??" There should almost just be a recurring feature on CNN: "When Democrats Don't Actually Do Anything Even Slightly Wrong, But We Want To Pretend They Did!"

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Originally Posted by Lord of Joshelplex
Becasue they are idiots. I dont care if I get banned, I think all people like that are fucking retards who dont care at all for the people of their own god damned country.

'Kay.

I'm not saying you have to like the people who launch these kind of attacks, but we do try and keep it classy here on this discussion forum.

See you in a week.

Lord of Joshelplex 10-11-2007 10:36 AM

In the US, people who are extremely poor qualify for health insurence, and people who are extremely rich can afford it. THe entire middle class in general, AKA the average person, like you or me, wouldnt qualify becasue we dont make enouhg to afford it, but we arent poor enough to get it free.

Raerlynn 10-11-2007 12:24 PM

I'd really appreciate it if you didn't speak for me. I'm middle class, work for a local ISP in the Midwest. My health insurance is just fine, thank you very much.

POS Industries 10-11-2007 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Raerlynn
I'd really appreciate it if you didn't speak for me. I'm middle class, work for a local ISP in the Midwest. My health insurance is just fine, thank you very much.

Don't you work for the government, though? They often cover that stuff since it's not officially a "for profit" operation. Then again, it's also possible that you aren't trying to cover the health insurance of a wife and 2.5 kids, and so if you are having to pay out of pocket for insurance, it wouldn't necessarily cripple you financially.

Either way, you would likely not qualify for the CHIP program. Not saying LoJ's post wasn't overstepping its bounds, but still.

Demetrius 10-11-2007 01:03 PM

This may have to do with where I live and the mindset of folks that live in the secluded mountain areas, but if I need or want something, I work for it. I don't feel that things are owed to me and I deserve something because I haven't succeeded in accomplishing the goals needed to support a family.
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he and his wife say they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year
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she learned it would cost them $1,200 a month.
So add in the fact that 2 people with 6 six kids, are earning barely $22/hr between them... I mean come on, if you both worked at Burger King you can make the same money and get health benefits with company subsidies. Any full-time job that you get that doesn't offer health insurance is crap. Hell, I worked at a restaurant as a cook, they offer the same health care I get here at my real job for just a little more a month. People who are saying they can't get health-care are sob stories and have no business complaining about it in my opinion. If you need something work for it until you get it, don't expect it to be handed to you.

My views are my views, I don't subscribe to either party or politicians in general. I just really have a problem with people who think they're owed something that is within their reach to achieve on their own.

EDIT: I agree with Raerlynn, I work for a private company and I like my health care just fine. I'm strictly working class, I make right around 30-35k a year and have no college degree. Excuses are excuses, get a job and deal with sacrifices.

Kurosen 10-11-2007 01:47 PM

If their insurance costs $1,200 a month, that's $14,400 a year. You grossly underestimate how much one kid costs, much less six if you think that's anything like an affordable expense.

Demetrius 10-11-2007 01:52 PM

I'm saying that those costs are defrayed by seeking employment that provides part or whole health coverage. Even food service folks at hospitals get full coverage, its free (for the employee) at the places around here.


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