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Ryong 02-24-2008 07:00 PM

Yeah, so, you know when is Brawl coming to Brazil? Mid-June. Since most gaming stores here aren't part of chains, we don't get tournaments either. I guess that's what Brazil deserves from the raging game piracy?

Regulus Tera 02-24-2008 07:38 PM

Another post:

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Originally Posted by Thinkaman
Sakurai had 4 criteria that all characters must observe in order to be considered for being added:

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.

This is infinitely harder than you and I think, because we are so jaded by our own perspective. I would insist that Viewtiful Joe would be the best character ever, but I'm not sure people would really want the game more. Neither of us would have ever thought of ROB, and yet "ROBOT" was the CROWD FAVORITE by FAR in the GDC matches the CAs had. Everyone loved him! We as gamers are way too biased to make this decision easily.

2. The character must be unique.

The character must have identifying features and abilities that would make them different from existing characters, so that they add something to the game.

3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.

The character obviously has to be able to fit into the framework of how smash works, obviously Pac-Man and L Block would not work. Personally, I never saw Mega Man working for this reason. No, I don't want to debate it.

4. They must contribute to the game balance.

Everyone has to fit together. Every new character must counter some characters and be countered by others, and they must fit in one giant contiguous mesh.

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It is this sort of specific consideration and decision making that game designers have to adhere to, there must be reason and understandings established about both the mind of the player and the constructs of the game itself.

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Originally Posted by Ryong
Yeah, so, you know when is Brawl coming to Brazil? Mid-June. Since most gaming stores here aren't part of chains, we don't get tournaments either. I guess that's what Brazil deserves from the raging game piracy?

Clearly, your best option is importing.

Mirai Gen 02-24-2008 07:53 PM

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2. The character must be unique.
There is not a big enough emote for how badly I want to eye roll right now.

EDIT: Of course I am also unable to play the game so I have a more biased opinion in the mind's eye thing, but still.

bananarama 02-24-2008 09:16 PM

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3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.

The character obviously has to be able to fit into the framework of how smash works, obviously Pac-Man and L Block would not work. Personally, I never saw Mega Man working for this reason. No, I don't want to debate it.
Captain Falcon?

Regulus Tera 02-24-2008 09:28 PM

If you read Iwata Asks you can surmise that Sakurai developed Falcon's moveset for the original game, Dragon King. The models are just identical to him. I think Sakurai wanted to keep that moveset, so he looked for the most humanoid character he could find in the Nintendo universe, landing on Captain Falcon.

Here's what I'm talking about:



If anyone doesn't fit in Smash it is arguably Snake, yet I believe that's the reason why he merges so well with the other characters.

Mirai Gen 02-24-2008 09:38 PM

Yeah the original idea for Smash Bros was that game, where it was just a bunch of characters fighting each other.

Tim Rogers is totally right saying that if it wasn't Nintendo (And now Sega and Konami too) it wouldn't be a very interesting game, or at least it would take a while to sink in as a cool game with wholly new characters like Street Fighter or an SNK game or something.

Ryong 02-24-2008 10:24 PM

I'd need to pay about R$200+ for Brawl if I bought it here. That's about US$120. Importing would, yes, be the best option. Also, I don't have a Wii...Yet. As I stated, I may buy either a PS3 or a Wii. But anyway, I can only ask one thing about Dragon King: Was Falcon err DRAGON Punch avaliable?

Regulus Tera 02-24-2008 10:34 PM

Nobody knows because it was never released.

Meister 02-25-2008 03:35 AM

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I would insist that Viewtiful Joe would be the best character ever, but I'm not sure people would really want the game more.
If Joe isn't suited to a fighting game I'd like to know who is. (On the other hand, manipulating the flow of time probably doesn't go over too well with the other players.

Actually, you know who'd make a good SSB character? Raz. He's got a huge moveset to pick 'n' mix from, for one.

POS Industries 02-25-2008 03:54 AM

I was about to say I knew a whole load of Capcom characters who would be totally perfect for a fighting game, but then I remembered that they're already working on a new Street Fighter and probably wouldn't want to put any of them in a rival fighter.


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