I think that the part where tony got all pissed at the terrorist type dudes over in that desert, then went to kick some ass with that rocket and the booster and all that nice tech, was very good

I feel like making a halo 3 stage from the robot suits now... just throw together some crates, a couple of spartan lasers, some machine gun turrets, flares, rocket launchers and some other stuff. Sorry for the off topic-ness but it was just something I had to say.

I know this might derail things slightly, but in prep to do the Avengers, do any of you actully think it possible to do a good Thor movie...?

See I can understand making all these other movies (Nick Fury/S.H.I.E.L.D. and Captain America(better not be campy this time!)), however with the whole Valhalla and Asgard and "I'm a god with a big-ass hammer!" piss off the Christa-nazis and kill the movie...?

Meh. Poorly planned propoganda and email rumors on behalf of the few fools who think they make themselves better by saving the world from something that isn't nearly as bad as they make it out to be weren't enough to kill the Golden Compass, so I'm sure Thor is safe.

In the end, the Golden Compass only died because it sucked.

The only way I see a Thor movie working is if the whole of Asgard was left vague. Like Ultimate Thor, the audience isn't even sure he's really the Norse god.

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Yeah, Dr. Phil wasn't shown to be angry about Stark coming back to take the company away from him or to have had enough malicious corporate scheming tendencies for the expected "betrayal" or whatever we'd like to call it to be quite as believable. He certainly was the buddy cop... in this non-cop film that suddenly was re-wired. Maybe he had a little too much of William Stryker's serum.

Unfortunately, I think the movie creators relied on the fact that the guy's last name is STANE (Stain) to basically convey all of those facts prior to the actual betrayal. A cheap and cheesy way to do it, for sure.

And yes, Thor, as the actual Norse god, come down from Valhalla to fight evil, just doesn't work for a superhero back-story, because, really, it's actually even more broken than Superman. Who the heck is supposed to stand up to a god like Thor besides another god, like Loki, at which point the people watching may as well go and read some Norse mythology because even the Mandarin with some sort of death machine is only going to be playing second fiddle, attempting to fight some other hero that's even moderately in his range of battle, despite all those awesome disintegrator and freezing ray and such in his rings. Maybe they can just make him a guy who finds Thor's magic hammer, which MAKES him Thor. Then at least they'll be somewhere in the ballpark.

I don't get why people are saying Obadiah turning out to be the bad guy was not obvious from the very beginning. I mean, some douchebag kid takes over the company he's come to think of as his, gains remarkable fame and fortune for it. So primary motive, jealousy. Still, he can't turn and kill the Stark as soon as he takes over the company. It's too obvious. The man's a classy villain, or at least as classy as a villain can be. Making everyone in the world think they were friends makes it a whole lot easier to get away with murder.

I for one think that particular plot point was well conceived and well executed, and any additional foreshadowing would have been driving the point in with a hammer.

Well we already have the wrecking crew who basically got the powers of Loki after finding a magical crowbar that Loki lost or something.....
And a Thor movie will pretty much have to star Loki as the villain. It'll be like Clash of the Titans all over again.

About Stane: Tony and Stane were never really close. The point of Stane was to have someone who was close enough to Tony that could perform illegal and evil acts right under his nose without raising suspicions and keeping the "Bestest buddies!" facade up.

I mean the introduction to both Tony and Stane was in the reel that said that he took over the company after Tony's dad showed up, and then Tony took over just after. I imagine he wasn't very happy, but come to find out he could fund a war on both sides without anyone any the wiser, ooh, that's promising!

It made sense to me.

Moving on: Thor is going to be tricky.

On one hand you're making a modern-day Asgardian mythos where he comes to earth and decides to kick the crap out of evil cause it'd be fun.

On the other you've got a guy who may or may not be the God of Thunder, but he picks up a giant hammer and can throw lightning and has all sorts of crazy batshit powers that are never really explained.

I don't see either of them working especially well, unless the Thor guy is a pro-wrestler who wants to fight crime and then sees a hammer that nobody can pick up, and he does it without thinking and then gets the armor.

Hell that'd be pretty awful too. I don't know if this is going to work.

Saw it tonight, really liked it. I'll probably see it again with friends that haven't seen it. I ignored: the several vicious crashes that Stark took that should have killed him instantly, or the impossible G-force changes, and rationalized them with 'holy shit check out that badass walk away from the tank oh I know its going to explode in a second BOOYA!'