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Seil 06-08-2008 02:20 PM

Hilary Rodham Clinton Admits Defeat
 
Neat!

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By Beth Fouhy, The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton is ready to swing her full support behind Barack Obama and ask her backers to follow along, while thanking them for sticking with her on a roller coaster ride from sure thing to also-ran.

The former president's wife is ending her historic quest to become the first female president with a speech today at the National Building Museum in Washington.

Her husband, former president Bill Clinton, and other family members were expected to be at her side.

Obama secured the 2,118 delegates needed to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday after primaries in South Dakota and Montana.

He plans to spend the weekend at home in Chicago.

Supporters began lining up at dawn to attend the farewell address. A smattering of Obama backers showed up as well, saying they did so as a gesture of party unity.

"We're all Democrats," said Andy Cunningham, a 22-year-old Obama supporter. "She's contributed a lot to the party."

Clinton backers described themselves as sad and resigned. "This is a sombre day," said Jon Cardinal, one of the first in line.

Cardinal said he planned, reluctantly, to support the Illinois senator in the general election. "It's going to be tough after being against Obama for so long," he said.

Aides say Clinton will be unequivocal in her praise for Obama, her rival in an epic, 50-state nominating contest pitting the first serious female candidate for president against the most viable black candidate.

"I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic party's nominee and I intend to deliver on that promise," Clinton told supporters in an online message late this week.

She said her speech would focus on "how together we can rally the party" behind Obama as he prepares for the general election against Arizona Senator John McCain. "The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise."

The two had a face-to-face meeting Thursday evening at the Washington home of a Senate colleague, California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, where they discussed the campaign to come. They spoke alone for about an hour. Both were laughing when they finished.

Clinton was expected to campaign for Obama and to help with fundraising, while seeking his assistance in retiring her $30 million campaign debt.

The New York senator has told colleagues she would be interested in joining Obama as his running mate.

Clinton spent much of Friday working on her concession speech with campaign manager Maggie Williams, media adviser Mandy Grunwald and strategist Mark Penn.

A party at her Washington home on Friday was intended as a way to thank and bid farewell to campaign staff.

Clinton and Obama went to great lengths to keep their meeting a secret from the media beforehand.

Obama "was very gracious," said Feinstein, who had supported Clinton during the primaries. "He said he would go wherever, whenever Senator Clinton wanted."

"This is a deeply personal time, too, you know," Feinstein said. "Barack is trying to put things together for a major presidential campaign. There are a lot of decompression and nerve endings that need to come together."

The undisputed front-runner when she announced her candidacy in January 2007, Clinton saw her march to the nomination derailed a year later after being swamped by Obama in Iowa's leadoff caucuses. She stayed alive after a narrow victory in New Hampshire five days later. But her campaign never fully regained its footing despite strong showings in several big-state primaries beginning in March.
It's about time.

Mr.Bookworm 06-08-2008 02:30 PM

Indeed.

I'm very happy that she finally realized if she kept holding out, she would just be hurting the party in the election.

I wonder if she'll get the VP nomination?

Seil 06-08-2008 02:38 PM

That being said, this was an interesting election - it boiled down to a close race to a potential first black president or a potential first woman president. (If Hilary was actually put in office, would Bill be termed "First Husband?") That being said, I was rooting for Obama - not that I know any real practices or causes of any of the campaigners, but Obama had some choice things to say about Health Care, which I agreed with.

Regulus Tera 06-08-2008 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm (Post 794225)
I wonder if she'll get the VP nomination?

She more than certainly is looking for it, and I imagine Obama is considering the potential of such a move. While I wouldn't like that to happen (mainly because Clinton represents all that Obama has been campaigning against), it's probably the most direct and swift decision to do in order to secure the white middle-aged vote Obama needs to win the race.

Preturbed 06-09-2008 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Regulus Tera (Post 794236)
Clinton represents all that Obama has been campaigning against

You do realize that this is because he wanted the nomination, not because they share particularly different viewpoints, right?

I_Like_Swordchucks 06-09-2008 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Preturbed (Post 794710)
You do realize that this is because he wanted the nomination, not because they share particularly different viewpoints, right?

I think he means Obama has been trumpeting change as the primary reason for his own nomination, and it would be hypocritical to choose a Clinton as his running mate simply because a Clinton is a lot more of stuff thats been in the White House before and not really change at all.

CTDChris 06-09-2008 07:39 PM

I doubt she will get the VP nomination, their views are too different.

Preturbed 06-10-2008 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CTDChris (Post 794753)
I doubt she will get the VP nomination, their views are too different.

As you are the second person to suggest this, may I ask that you state where they are different? It's seemed to me from the get-go that they were running on virtually the same platform, the only real difference being race and gender.

Okay, so Barack has been trumpeting change, but has he discussed what he means by that? I may have genuinely missed it as I don't generally go looking for the news, rather letting it find me. I just haven't heard anything from him that suggests change except from a GOP president to a Democratic one.

Slightly tangential, I'm not a fan of either candidate this year. Going to look into serious 3rd party candidates in a month or so.

Solid Snake 06-10-2008 01:02 PM

I like Obama (don't love him, but would at least briefly consider voting for him over McCain, despite having less in common with Obama on certain issues, simply because Obama's a smart and thoroughly likable guy.)

I hate Hillary Clinton.

Their platforms may be similar, but on a values level, Hillary and Obama are on two fundamentally different levels. Obama's essentially a clean guy who's run a (relatively) clean campaign. He's an idealist who aspires for greatness and that's a thoroughly likable quality these days. Hillary, on the other hand, is a dirty, manipulative realist who plays the same dirty politics everyone seems to play in the Beltway these days. Her techniques are vile, and Obama himself has been the target.

Take the Gas Tax Holiday initiative -- Hillary (and McCain for that matter, and this is something that's caused me to seriously doubt my prior strong support for John) supported it, despite the fact that it's clearly just a publicity stunt designed to snare uneducated voters, and it'll really screw over the economy far more than it'll help us. Obama had the virtue to ignore that bullcrap. Hillary saw it as a chance to overtake him, and so she said "screw the legitimacy of the action itself, I just want the votes." That's the kind of person Hillary is, and the Clintons in general seem to be these days: they'll play up any angle. Just a couple months ago they used blatant racial undertones to try to undermine Barack and ailenated black voters who previously considered Bill the "first black president." Now, Hillary -- despite having lost the primary -- is attempting to use raw power politics to force Barack into conceding a spot on the ticket for her.

There's so much I don't understand about Hillary -- like why so many women consider her a role-model for women (just because you're the first female to do something doesn't mean you should automatically be supported by other women regardless of your positions on issues and your behavior during a campaign. If I act like a jackass during a political primary, should other caucasian men with Italian heritage support me simply because I'm "one of them?")
But, I'll admit to a bias of a sort -- Hillary's gotten on my nerves for quite some time now, for more than a decade. I'm really shocked that I seem to be in the minority on that one. But I will say that Obama will lose any chance of snaring my vote if Hillary's the VP on his ticket -- it undermines the nature of his message, even if it doesn't actually undermine most the issues he's campaigning for.

Pip Boy 06-10-2008 04:26 PM

I don't pay much attention to politics, but even I'm glad to see Hilary go. What little I have heard has been about health care, and that she was planning to make it so that health insurance is required by law, as opposed to simply making it cheaper. Mind you I heard it from a human, and humans can be a bit biased about things sometime. But if she really was planning to just make health insurance required by law, half my family would be boned.

I'm told Obama also has this internet neutrality thing going, which is good in theory as long as it doesn't let our internets crash.


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