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Did I mention that I like V?

'cause I like V.

nice, a few times I thought he would but, nope blah blah come to the dark side blah blah, disintigrate

oh and a D&D question, wasn't level 10 the point where wizards reach city nuking level?

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 889543)

oh and a D&D question, wasn't level 10 the point where wizards reach city nuking level?

What, you think V couldn't nuke a city?

...and no, I don't think that's it anymore, though I haven't played DnD in ages, and never that far. I think in 4E it's level 21 that's city-nuking, but I'm not sure.

I doubt its 4e though as it didn't exist when this started

I don't have my PHB on me but I'd say that V is not yet on the city-nuking stage yet, but I'm not sure. I might edit this post with facts later.

Is that city-nuking stage as in "powerful spells are available to every wizard" or as in "with the precisely right combination of levels and feats from 7 sourcebooks and at least two interpretations of the rules you desperately hope your DM won't think about too hard"?

I'm not sure about nuking, but from what I've heard of DnD anecdotes a lv 10+ wizard is certainly capable of at least depopulating a city.

New episode, anyway. V isn't as unhinged as some readers think he is, apparently.

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake (Post 884623)

I wouldn't know the appropriate TV trope to link to, but afraid Belkar's starting to fall into that stereotypical "badass who can't do anything wrong" trope.

I mean the thing about old Belkar was that his homicidal rage was a character flaw that arguably got him into more trouble than it was worth. This new, smarter, more devious Belkar might be a bit too awesome for my tastes. I prefer well-rounded characters who have serious issues. Right now, Belkar's in dire need of some issues.

I guess I'm coming back to this.

Belkar was just convinced that he had to completely change his mindset in order to advance and profit. Assuming that he did so and everything wasn't going right for him, what would he say? "Fuck this, I'm just going back to being a homicidal maniac." Things have to go right for him in the beginning in order for his character to advance at all. He has to see the profit in order to continue on his path.

There's more than enough time to hit him with the drawbacks. A rise can be a setup for a fall.

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Originally Posted by Mirai

Though I do have to wonder exactly what about his dream terrifies him - the Sapphire Guard dying before him, the fact that his magic is useless, or the fact that he has to relive being in a war scenario without any magic left. I'm leaning more towards #3.

He is an arrogant elf who had it just thrown in his face that he's not actually all-powerful. He is powerless to help those who rely on him. It seems to be showing that his search for power is not just because he has own visions of grandeur for himself, but because he has expectations he seems he needs to fulfill.

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake (Post 884737)

The Ace wasn't exactly the trope I was looking for -- it's too heroic an image for Belkar. I was thinking more the stereotypical Badass character who always wins just because he's the antihero Badass who doesn't mind doing dirty things to get The Job Done and perform with extraterrestrial levels of gusto and machismo.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...InvincibleHero ?

...Actually kind of more

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JerkassStu

...and for that matter, the one where they've got his picture as the example:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...eroicSociopath