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Fifthfiend 02-06-2009 01:31 PM

The "parent / parent" thing was fucking stupid. Stupid like the Bride's name thing in Kill Bill, just fucking stupid.

Dragon does seem to have things pretty well planned out although I do have to ask: if the dragon herself has to go to such lengths to make sure V's kids can't be brought back, then what reason is there that the dragon couldn't just like, go terrorize a priest of Loki or someone into bringing her own kid back?

Mirai Gen 02-06-2009 01:37 PM

That would make an awesome sub-plot but I think the reason is that there's no remains to bring, and if you have no remains you need an extremely powerful cleric which it has been stated nobody knows if there are in the OOTSiverse.
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The "parent / parent" thing was fucking stupid. Stupid like the Bride's name thing in Kill Bill, just fucking stupid.

I thought that at first too, but I'm pretty sure it was made that way because it is in Elven, and he was trying to communicate that there's no "mommy" or "daddy" in elven. I'm not sure if I hate it or not.

Also: I like how 'lunch' for the kids is a salad. Elves and all.

EDIT: Okay, now why are their kids dark-skinned, exactly? I was going to ask this a while ago but I forgot all about it.

Fifthfiend 02-06-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 893820)
That would make an awesome sub-plot but I think the reason is that there's no remains to bring, and if you have no remains you need an extremely powerful cleric which it has been stated nobody knows if there are in the OOTSiverse.

Then I don't really get the point of the soul-binding business. Couldn't Ma Dragon just acidburn Elf Junior and Elf Junior #2 into nonexistence and skip all the soul-binding necro-scrolling bother? Or is she planning to have their bodies stuffed and mounted as trophies?

Kim 02-06-2009 01:57 PM

I think it's a matter of soul binding so that they can't even have peace in death, making their deaths that much more horrible for V. Plus, their remains will be in the dragon's belly, so I don't think they'll last long.

Aerozord 02-06-2009 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 893824)
Then I don't really get the point of the soul-binding business. Couldn't Ma Dragon just acidburn Elf Junior and Elf Junior #2 into nonexistence and skip all the soul-binding necro-scrolling bother? Or is she planning to have their bodies stuffed and mounted as trophies?

because although it is insanely harder to resurrect without a body its possible. This was mentioned with Roy
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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 893817)
Dragon does seem to have things pretty well planned out although I do have to ask: if the dragon herself has to go to such lengths to make sure V's kids can't be brought back, then what reason is there that the dragon couldn't just like, go terrorize a priest of Loki or someone into bringing her own kid back?

The only thing I could think of is that its more spite. She is a grieving mother, do you think she cares that what she is doing is ultimately far worse then what happened to her?

While with bringing them back, my guess is dragons dont have such a method. Probably because of their afterlife or that resurrection is limited to humanoids

Oh and, as for what happens with V. Honestly from a realistic standpoint this is more mind break then anything. For a parent this kind of thing would most likely just remove all desire to live then invoke futile rage. On the Imp, he cant help, he was pretty soundly defeated too and he is still anchored so he cant teleport. Besides even if they did what could they do besides suck and die

Mirai Gen 02-06-2009 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 893824)
Then I don't really get the point of the soul-binding business. Couldn't Ma Dragon just acidburn Elf Junior and Elf Junior #2 into nonexistence and skip all the soul-binding necro-scrolling bother? Or is she planning to have their bodies stuffed and mounted as trophies?

It's twofold - having your soul put into a jar forever is not fun, at all. I'm not sure if it's painful or just boring because you're essentially trapped behind a glass prison you can't escape from in the clutches of a giant Black Dragon, forever. As Haley mentioned, trapping a soul in a gem forever is very much on the Evil side of the street (though I'm not sure why specifically), and Evil acts are stated to be acts that cause undue pain and suffering on others.

So probably the trophy business, yes.

Plus it's more insurance that even if V does find a high level cleric - or Durkon levels up, natch - you still couldn't resurrect them anyway.

The Wizard Who Did It 02-06-2009 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 893831)
It's twofold - having your soul put into a jar forever is not fun, at all. I'm not sure if it's painful or just boring because you're essentially trapped behind a glass prison you can't escape from in the clutches of a giant Black Dragon, forever. As Haley mentioned, trapping a soul in a gem forever is very much on the Evil side of the street (though I'm not sure why specifically), and Evil acts are stated to be acts that cause undue pain and suffering on others.

It's this.

TV tropes always saves the day.
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I thought that at first too, but I'm pretty sure it was made that way because it is in Elven, and he was trying to communicate that there's no "mommy" or "daddy" in elven. I'm not sure if I hate it or not.

Really? I just took it as more of a "fuck you we're still not giving you V's gender" thing.

Kim 02-06-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wizard Who Did It (Post 893833)
Really? I just took it as more of a "fuck you we're still not giving you V's gender" thing.

Maybe it's both?

Aerozord 02-06-2009 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 893831)
It's twofold - having your soul put into a jar forever is not fun, at all. I'm not sure if it's painful or just boring because you're essentially trapped behind a glass prison you can't escape from in the clutches of a giant Black Dragon, forever.

Have you ever been in true boredom. I dont mean the typical, there is nothing on, I mean to the degree you litterally have nothing to do. Completely devoid of all stimuli. Not being able to move, talk, listen, read, nothing. It is argueably the highest form of torture where you beg for pain just to have something to focus your mind on. If that goes on long enough you either blank out your mind and in essence become dead, or you are driven insane by it.

Mirai Gen 02-06-2009 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 893841)
Have you ever been in true boredom. I dont mean the typical, there is nothing on, I mean to the degree you litterally have nothing to do. Completely devoid of all stimuli. Not being able to move, talk, listen, read, nothing. It is argueably the highest form of torture where you beg for pain just to have something to focus your mind on. If that goes on long enough you either blank out your mind and in essence become dead, or you are driven insane by it.

Um okay? That's more or less what I was saying, yes.


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