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Bells 10-16-2008 05:34 PM

Is 'Joe the Plumber' a plumber?
 
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Originally Posted by mail.com
Joe the Plumber's story sprang a few leaks Thursday.

Turns out that the man who was held up by John McCain as the typical, hard-working American taxpayer isn't really a licensed plumber. And court documents show he owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes.

"Joe," whose name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, was cited repeatedly in Wednesday night's final presidential debate by McCain for questioning Barack Obama's tax policy.

Wurzelbacher instantly became a media celebrity, fielding calls during the debate and facing reporters outside his home near Toledo on Thursday morning for an impromptu nationally televised news conference.

The burly, bald man acknowledged he doesn't have a plumber's license, but said he didn't need one because he works for someone else at a company that does residential work.

But Wurzelbacher still would need to be a licensed apprentice or journeyman to work in Toledo, and he's not, said David Golis, manager and residential building official for the Toledo Division of Building Inspection.

State and local records show Wurzelbacher has no license, although his employer does. Golis said there are no records of inspectors citing Wurzelbacher for unlicensed work in Toledo.

And then there was the matter of his taxes.

Wurzelbacher owes the state of Ohio $1,182.98 in personal income tax, according to Lucas County Court of Common Pleas records.

In January 2007, Ohio's Department of Taxation filed a claim on his property until he pays the debt, according to the records. The lien remains active.

At the debate, McCain cited Wurzelbacher as an example of someone who wants to buy a plumbing business but would be hurt by Obama's tax plans.

Wurzelbacher, a self-described conservative, had spoken to Obama at a rally Sunday near his home and asked him whether his tax plan would keep him from buying the business that currently employs him, which earns more than $250,000 a year.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" Wurzelbacher asked.

Obama said that under his proposal taxes on any revenue from $250,000 on down would stay the same, but that amounts above that level would be subject to a 39 percent tax, instead of the current 36 percent rate.

McCain said Obama's plan would stop entrepreneurs such as Wurzelbacher from investing in new small businesses and keep existing ones from growing.

Wurzelbacher had a deal with a clog of two dozen reporters outside his home on a narrow street lined with ranch- and split-level homes Thursday morning. No detail about the divorced father of a 13-year-old boy was too small: Was he a registered voter? Did he have a plumbing license? Whom will he vote for?


Leaning against his black Dodge Durango SUV, Wurzelbacher at first was amused by it all, then overwhelmed and finally a little annoyed.

"I don't have a lot of pull. It's not like I'm Matt Damon," he said "I just hope I'm not making too much of a fool of myself."

He indicated he was a fan of the military and McCain but wouldn't say who will get his vote. He is registered as a Republican, the county elections board said, because he voted in the GOP primary in March.

Wurzelbacher said a McCain campaign official contacted him several days before the debate to ask him to appear with the candidate at a Toledo rally scheduled for Sunday.

He told reporters he's unsure if he'll attend, since he's now scheduled to be in New York for TV interviews.

He said he hadn't been contacted by the Republican campaign since the debate. On Thursday, McCain told Fox News that he intended to call Wurzelbacher.

"I'm probably going to call him this morning. I thought he would probably be up late. I heard that his -- that his phone lines were pretty well were flooded. But I think we're going to be spending some time together," McCain told the network.

On Thursday in New Hampshire, Obama said McCain was misleading voters by proposing tax plans that favor the rich while criticizing an Obama tax plan that would raise taxes only on people making more than $250,000 a year, just 5 percent of all taxpayers.

"He's trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he's fighting for," Obama said. "How many plumbers you know that are making a quarter-million dollars a year?"

Wurzelbacher said he felt a bit overwhelmed by all the attention.

"I'm kind of like Britney Spears having a headache. Everybody wants to know about it," he joked.

Am i the only one thinking they are a tadbit Offtopic with this??

Either way, amusing reading if you saw the third debate...

Cid Highwind 10-16-2008 05:41 PM

You dont make enough money to buy the company you're working for (By working for them).

It just doesnt work that way. Unless you slowly work your way up to being a major shareholder, or the company falls under, and you take the iniative (before anyone else) to back it financially and bring it back up yourself. And considering its apparently a company that is over a quarter million total worth, hes not going to be able to do that.

You cant just buy it with the money that, after all, they are paying you with.


Also, its really not that uncommon for a construction worker to be working without a license, and not get caught. Although I really dont think this guy is a plumber, either. Nor that Obama's proposed tax hike on companies will hurt companies that much.

Mike McC 10-16-2008 06:01 PM

Shouldn't this have gone in the news thread?

Bells 10-16-2008 06:47 PM

I dunno, i didnt take as a piece of news... but more like, out of the 3rd debate, this guy came out not only as a true issue, but also as a midia Totem. It's liek the dude is a analog on the Financial crisis, except he is not a Metaphor as "Joe the plumber" would sound like on other times

Mike McC 10-16-2008 06:58 PM

PETA urging Ben & Jerry's to use human breast milk in thier products is much lower on the 'relevant news' scale than this, and yet it went in the news thread regardless.

The news thread is for fringe news like this.

Fifthfiend 10-16-2008 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike McC (Post 852088)
Shouldn't this have gone in the news thread?

It's actually topical and something people presumably actually have something to say about and not just a random thing someone's posting to say hey everyone look at the random thing. So I'm willing to say it's all right.

I'm glad it was posted in Gen as opposed to Discussion because here I'm comfortable saying that this Joe the Millionaire Plumber is clearly the dumbest fucking thing in politics since the last dumb fucking thing in politics, which is to say Sarah Palin. I mean whatever it's been page one of the Republican Party textbook since like 1960; 1. Pretend any program that hurts rich people actually hurts poor people, 2. Pretend any program that helps poor and middle class people only helps Lazy, Thieving Negroes, 3. say any stupid-ass thing you have to in order to justify 1 and 2.

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Originally Posted by Mike McC (Post 852106)
PETA urging Ben & Jerry's to use human breast milk in thier products is much lower on the 'relevant news' scale than this, and yet it went in the news thread regardless.
The news thread is for fringe news like this.

Everything PETA does is lower on the relevant news scale than everything else because PETA are a bunch of reallife-troll fucking crackpots that nobody gives a fuck about, anywhere. When we want you to start moderating threads for us we'll let you know.

Mike McC 10-16-2008 07:16 PM

Okay, my bad. Comments withdrawn, replaced with wondering when Joe the Plumber's gonna get a book deal.

Though, granted, a lot of the time when McCain said "my freind Joe" last night, I thought he was referring to his BFF, Joe Lieberman. ACROSS THE AISLE.

Professor Smarmiarty 10-16-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 852109)
I mean whatever it's been page one of the Republican Party textbook since like 1960; 1. Pretend any program that hurts rich people actually hurts poor people, 2. Pretend any program that helps poor and middle class people only helps Lazy, Thieving Negroes, 3. say any stupid-ass thing you have to in order to justify 1 and 2.

You have to admit, it's worked pretty well for them.

Sky Warrior Bob 10-16-2008 07:23 PM

Here's a related article. The article describes how Joe doesn't have a license, but if you read between the lines, its sound an awfully lot like Joe could be in for some legal trouble.

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And his question to Mr. Obama about paying taxes? According to some tax analysts, if Mr. Wurzelbacher’s gross receipts from his business is $250,000 — and not his taxable income — then he would not have to pay higher taxes under Mr. Obama’s plan, and probably would be eligible for a tax cut.
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SWB

Bells 10-16-2008 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 852109)
I'm glad it was posted in Gen as opposed to Discussion because here I'm comfortable saying that this Joe the Millionaire Plumber is clearly the dumbest fucking thing in politics since the last dumb fucking thing in politics, which is to say Sarah Palin. I mean whatever it's been page one of the Republican Party textbook since like 1960; 1. Pretend any program that hurts rich people actually hurts poor people, 2. Pretend any program that helps poor and middle class people only helps Lazy, Thieving Negroes, 3. say any stupid-ass thing you have to in order to justify 1 and 2.

Sir, are you implying that Joe the Plumber has defeated Sara Palin in the Dumb politics device department (The DPD-D)? That's a large claim to make

Although, now, i do crave to see John Stewart talking about this scenario any time soon... and above that, if we do the co-relations of Joe -> Common name -> Plumber -> Video Games -> Mario -> Common name it just gets more delicious.


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