Yeah, I have no clue any of what Dante said, except I know that Abominations are in reference to Werewolf, Dhampir Mages are in reference to Mage, and the last ones are Vampires...

True. Actually... that is abusive. They don't even have to be depressed like most of the abusive combos in WOD do.

the main thing with abominations though is that they're vampires (potence, celerity etc) who can go crinos. Next to that gifts and such don't really matter.

FZ: What Dante is talking about are renevant mages. Renevants are humans born from a family that has had vampire blood put into their gene pool. They can spend blood like vampires and lear discaplines (at an increased cost) but they have none of the vampiric drawbacks. When a renevant is awakened... the result is highly twinkish.

Dhampir's are half vampire.

I believe what he's getting at is you take a half-vampire, give them magic (or take a mage and make them half-vampire), and suddenly you have a character with limited access to vampiric abilities as well as access to magic.

I'm not 100% sure though, as that I'v only played one game in WoD... and never read a book.

I'm just clever... yah.

Basically a vampire werewolf... But I would think they would be fairly overpowered. The werewolf can go Crinos, then buff with every enhancing Gift and Discipline it has, and I would think it would be near unstoppable. However, my only question is, would that mean you have to combine the two systems into one character sheet? Thus Rage, Blood Pool, and all that would be one, or would the werewolf lose all of it's old powers except the ability to go Crinos?

Oh, yeah, I forgot. Still, WW screwed them BAD - Gnosis, Blood and Rage can't be used at the same time, though like you said, Crinos makes all those problems go away...

Are Abominations vulnerable to silver?

They are still werewolves so I'd imagine they have the same vulnerability to silver...

In any case, I think we are agreed that hybrids are a Bad Thing...

EDIT: FZ, AFAIK The Abomination keeps all its old powers and gains vamp powers as well. I think Gnosis falls off slowly, you may lose certain Gifts, and you lose your attunement to certain spirits, Gifts and artifacts as Gaia recoils from the unholy travesty of life that you have become...

EDIT, THE SECOND: krylo, you don't make Mages half-vampire. You ghoul them by feeding them a point of blood. This is very, very, very bad for the mage, however good it might feel.

Most definately. Though we haven't mentioned embraced mages yet (convert all sphere dots into discapline dots). But no one will be playing a hybrid in this RP so we don't need to worry about that.

EDIT: however it just ocured to me that while no one will play a hybrid it is not impossible that oneof the mages will get embraced over the course of the game...

I disagree... and believe I should get the only hybrid. A demon force mage... or a demon vampire.

Failing that, however... yes, hybrids are bad and overpowered.

krylo: We could have you as the unholy offspring of a man and woman... who has only all the characteristics of his father...

Mage27:
Embraced mages just have all their Sphere dots fall off. I mean, they have to die for the Embrace to take, and the Avatar flies off then... right? At least, that's what I read in Blood Treachery... or was it some other book? Too much to juggle...

You're a Son of Ether, right? I haven't seen those in a while. Most everyone I know who plays Mage uses Akashic Brother or Virtual Adept, and the odd Euthanatos.