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Puh, like lazy matters. He just complains a lot because the RPs move fast and he is ignored every now and then.
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Good to see your sticking up for your fellow werewolf IHMN...
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No fair, all the fresh meat is in Mage...
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the INCREDIBLY abusive trick of dhampir mages... |
Just noticed that werewolves and vampires, the two main groups, are not only the least filled, but have no people who know of WoD as most of the mages and some of the demons seem to know (Besides Dante).
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Seriously, it's like Mage was some sort of magnet, sucking in the new people... But Demon has Psycho. But you get stuck with the vet Dante, har har. You can only mock him so much because you know he knows how to RP...
In fact, is everyone in Mage a newbie? Yeah, that will be interesting. EDIT: Yeah, the irony isn't lost on me IHMN... There may need to be some story shifting to compensate for this fact... |
Heh, all mage people are newbies to this forum, but seem to know of WoD (Ironic, because 75% of them will probably just disappear/leave).
Edit - Werewolves in their strong wolf form thingy can take a demon in their war form right (Melee wise)? |
Dante that trick is pretty much just an excuse to powergame. No sane GM would allow it anyway.
I haven't said anything about abominations either and they're fairly abusive.... |
How does the experience break down...
Me: GM, and has all the books, although I haven't read them throughly yet. Might go Fallen, but might go with someone else. Dante: Seems to know all the systems as well, better then I do. Vampire. Reality: Knows Mage, although hasn't demonstrated knowledge of other books yet, but has alluded that she knows. Mage. Mage 27: Knows a lot, seems to know as much as Dante, at least about Werewolf and Mage and possibly Vampire, although has been mum on the Demon Rulebook. Mage. So I'll either go Werewolf or Fallen to provide someone with advanced knowledge to one of those sides, although by preference of character type I might go Fallen. |
Demon was the one game I never bothered to learn. It came out like 10 seconds before they anounced they were ending the universe and by that time the world was getting a bit croweded with supernaturals anyway.
I actually know vampire better than either of the others. It's the only one I have books for. The other universes I've just played and read books belonging to friends. |
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Whereas dhampir Mages sufer no Avatar loss unlike ghouled Mages, and they can learn Discipline like any other Revenant, and though that knowledge may not be as extensive as Vamps, it is still a very formidable edge, because it offsets Mage frailty. And since you're good with Vampire, PLEASE keep them from making True Brujah Methuselahs in black coats... |
Yeah, I have no clue any of what Dante said, except I know that Abominations are in reference to Werewolf, Dhampir Mages are in reference to Mage, and the last ones are Vampires...
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True. Actually... that is abusive. They don't even have to be depressed like most of the abusive combos in WOD do.
the main thing with abominations though is that they're vampires (potence, celerity etc) who can go crinos. Next to that gifts and such don't really matter. FZ: What Dante is talking about are renevant mages. Renevants are humans born from a family that has had vampire blood put into their gene pool. They can spend blood like vampires and lear discaplines (at an increased cost) but they have none of the vampiric drawbacks. When a renevant is awakened... the result is highly twinkish. |
Dhampir's are half vampire.
I believe what he's getting at is you take a half-vampire, give them magic (or take a mage and make them half-vampire), and suddenly you have a character with limited access to vampiric abilities as well as access to magic. I'm not 100% sure though, as that I'v only played one game in WoD... and never read a book. I'm just clever... yah. |
Basically a vampire werewolf... But I would think they would be fairly overpowered. The werewolf can go Crinos, then buff with every enhancing Gift and Discipline it has, and I would think it would be near unstoppable. However, my only question is, would that mean you have to combine the two systems into one character sheet? Thus Rage, Blood Pool, and all that would be one, or would the werewolf lose all of it's old powers except the ability to go Crinos?
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They are still werewolves so I'd imagine they have the same vulnerability to silver...
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In any case, I think we are agreed that hybrids are a Bad Thing...
EDIT: FZ, AFAIK The Abomination keeps all its old powers and gains vamp powers as well. I think Gnosis falls off slowly, you may lose certain Gifts, and you lose your attunement to certain spirits, Gifts and artifacts as Gaia recoils from the unholy travesty of life that you have become... EDIT, THE SECOND: krylo, you don't make Mages half-vampire. You ghoul them by feeding them a point of blood. This is very, very, very bad for the mage, however good it might feel. |
Most definately. Though we haven't mentioned embraced mages yet (convert all sphere dots into discapline dots). But no one will be playing a hybrid in this RP so we don't need to worry about that.
EDIT: however it just ocured to me that while no one will play a hybrid it is not impossible that oneof the mages will get embraced over the course of the game... |
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Failing that, however... yes, hybrids are bad and overpowered. |
krylo: We could have you as the unholy offspring of a man and woman... who has only all the characteristics of his father...
Mage27: Embraced mages just have all their Sphere dots fall off. I mean, they have to die for the Embrace to take, and the Avatar flies off then... right? At least, that's what I read in Blood Treachery... or was it some other book? Too much to juggle... You're a Son of Ether, right? I haven't seen those in a while. Most everyone I know who plays Mage uses Akashic Brother or Virtual Adept, and the odd Euthanatos. |
Can I be an Abomination trained in the ways of magic?
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No demon mages. Mages are humans with awakened avatars. Demons do not have human avatars to awaken.
EDIT: and werewolves avatars have already awakened only in a different way. So no magical werewolves (dammit. I knew this conversation was a bad idea) EDIT: and even if you could have a magic using werewolf the embrace destroys your avatar. Thus mages cannot use magic if they become vampires (though they get extra discapline dots instead) . |
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And no hybrids in this RP. Just straight up, standard species. I don't know enough about hybrids, but they all sound overpowered to me. IHMN, that same scenario applies to when you'll get your magical Abomination. If you don't know it, I think krylo could explain it to you. |
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EDIT: And I'll be off soon, to examine more WoD products, and cause much havoc in the world... |
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I see you remembered, or at least found it again...
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Either my eyes were playing tricks on me, or krylo just edited out part of the quote saying "And as for you giving head". I could have sworn I read that, then I hit refresh and it was gone...
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I think he edited out as well. Out of context to the situation, it seemed very odd I suppose...
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krylo! When will you learn! Offerign a straight DM head won't help you at all!
(Next time, grow a pair of tits, and maybe FZ will accede...) |
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So, when does the sign up begin?
Or get Ren to do it for you. |
Umm, the official sign-up will begin when all the info has been turned into files for all the new people to WoD.
And where is Ren? Haven't seen or heard much from her since the old Destruction RP... |
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IHMN: It may be a rather long while before any of us can put up all the info, especially since I have to go to Taiwan this Sunday... |
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EDIT: Oh, as in you were an irredeemable bjerk. Well, she probably wouldn't turn full lesbian for the sake of one guy... I mean, it's only one penis she won't let anywhere near her... |
Full blown lesbain, as in giving up on men all together.
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No, I think he meant, before she met you, wasn't she already bi. And I think she was.
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Yes, she was.
And, Dante's edit still holds credence. Also: The Jehovah's Witness was a girl. |
She was I assumed. Of course, we will never know, and I still stick by my theory that krylo is actually Ren, but after a while he got bored of playing as a girl and just stopped using that account (Pictures he found on the internet).
Edit - But it's a very good penis she won't let near her. |
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Ah well. I will confirm next time I can get access to the book (which will be this weekend most likely). Just make sure no one embraces a mage before then.... |
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Anyways, enough talking cock. Now, isn't there something more relevant to discuss? |
You know... it's funny you mention that IHMN... because there's always one guy, no matter where on the internet she goes that involves roleplaying, that thinks she's a guy.
You've now made this place part of the status quo. Also... you could ask an admin, if any like you well enough to answer. Our IPs are completely different. |
Two computers and two internet providers (Or dial up).
And I said it was a theory. You can never be to certain on the internet. |
Hmm, so IHMN wants to bone krylo... interesting...
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Now, if it was boning Ren (Not krylo pretending to be Ren), that is a different matter... |
Using my Darkstar powers of selective mental editing, I shall hear it as...
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I and Ren are the same person only to the extent that I and you are, IHMN... seeming as some people seem to have that theory as well.
...Apparently I'm such a good roleplayer that people think I'm not only capable of pretending to be different people on the forums, but that I've been doing it for years. |
I shall use mental editing as well...
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Perhaps we are the same person? Only we know... Everyone else just has to assume. MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
It's a conspiracy, a conspiracy I tell you! You're all one person, and this is a goverment plot with the aliens to take my brain! AHHHHHHHHHH!
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Yes... you see... I'm actually everyone on the forum but you... well, you, the mods, and a few newbs...
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IHMN: There is a difference between mental editing, and wholesale lying... why, you have mastered the true secrets of Darkstar-ism! Maybe you'll get banned too!
FZ: I was looking up Blood Treachery - ghoul mages get screwed big time if they make a habit of living of vampire blood. They CAN learn the vampiric Disciplines of their domitor (as well as getting a free dot of Potence and gaining the ability to learn a dot of Fortitude) , but they get Blood bonded, they get addicted, and after a while their Avatar falls off. krylo: What experiements are these? EDIT: Bad news for vampires... Quote:
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Could my werewolf be catholic and have his bullets made with little crosses on them for his Uzi? If so, would it hurt vampires even more?
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No. Only if you have True Faith, and you have to present a holy symbol with True Faith to even begin to repel a vampire. Just shooting vampires, even with hollowpoints, makes them angry.
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As a werewolf... wouldn't he have true faith in the shamanistic beliefs of other werewolves surrounding the protection of the spirit of gaia, yada yada? If so... do they have a symbol for that... and would it ward vampires?
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Datne: You can also use a forces 3/prime 2 effect to create sunlight.
IHMN: Not unless he had an atribute called true faith. If he did then he would be able to do extra damage to vampires. However a werewolf with true faith makes no sense since true faith is an unshakable belief in your system of religon and werewolves KNOW that all mortal religons are untrue (because they were made by gaia etc etc). I've seen a guy play a catholic werewolf before. It was fun. Also why the uzi? Bullets only do bashing damage to vampires. Very ineffcient. |
How about a super soaker filled with Sunny Delight?
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Honestly speaking, True Faith is independent of EVERYTHING else. But you must have an IMMENSE belief in God, Allah, Buddha, and what have you, and being a supernatural kind of jades you to that.
After all, it's hard to believe in God when there's a Gaia right in front of you, much as a Mage might think God is just another uber-powerful Celestine, or a vampire might believe that any good God would not let people end up as vamps. Fallen are demons escaped from the Abyss. What else is there to know? |
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Therefore, i vote that we ban True Faith, and machinegun krylo and IHMN.
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As for the second part, I support it whole heartedly! |
But krylo brought up a good point before. Werewolves believe in Gaia, so if they have some Gaia related religious item with them, they can repel vampires with that.
And why machine gun me? (I just want to see a list) |
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Nope, not possible about the True Faith. It's got to be a god-like figure, and the Wolves RESPECT Gaia. They don't worship her. |
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Meh, the machinegunning seemed like a good idea at the time. Many things do...
As for the Gaia question, not sure entirely. I would need to look it up. Which would take time. Thus instead, I'll be lazy, and pass the question on to Dante. A lupine swine, taken literally, is a dog pig... Lupine is just the plural of the technical term for werewolves, Lupus. |
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I am almost sure that you cannot have true faith in gaia though I know of no book that says that explictly.
Krylo's faith and proof comment is the best explanation I can think of. Werewolves and demons do not have faith in their religons. They know they are correct. As for demons sure they are reminscient of Christian theology but they aren't proof of it. I fact the dmeon storyline disproves alot of what Christians believe. |
I downloaded all the files that Dante uploaded, I'll review them as soon as possible(meaning after I get some sleep), create Dimitri, and try to have my Mage character submitted sometime in the afternoon.
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I'd also like to point out that I am not lupine swine... I'm demonic/angelic swine. As such, Dante, your comment about "exactly the same" applying is incorrect. So there.
...And I was starting to think no one had noticed that edit... thank you for proving someone had, Mage. |
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Mage27: I also noticed that there are NO occurences of the word "Merit" or "True Faith" in the Werewolf 3E rulebook...
This would seem to imply that Werewolves CANNOT have True Faith. Especially true given that the cosmologies for Werewolf and Vampire seem radically different... FZ: Maybe what he's talkign about is that Demon postulates Lucifer as a noble being who wished to care for humanity, rather than drag it down into sin. Snefix: Who's your avatar of? krylo: The Fallen DO have True Faith. or at least, they used to have. Now they've turned their backs on God, that faith is hardly True Faith any more. All they know, all they believe of God is that he cast them down for caring for the very things they were commanded in His name to make and watch over. To say all Fallen resent God to some extent is correct... and thus they CANNOT have True Faith, at least not in the sense that mortals do. |
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