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So, can I have a flamethrower, preferably a dual tank one with two parts to shot fire out of?
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SILENCE! All shall feel the righteous judgement of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!
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It all depends on interpretation. The Fallen book also leaves it open for you to see Lucifer as a traitor, that lead all the Fallen into banishment, then abandoned them once they were sentenced to the Abyss, leaving the Fallen to come to the conclusion that this was all a mistake, and that Lucifer was wrong and not even worth following. Thus the Redeemer Faction that believes that Lucifer was full of lies, and they are trying to seek God once again to be redeemed. But now I'm starting to get off onto a Religious rant, so I'll leave it open for our previous discussions. |
IHMN-Put all your points into resources and buy one if you want one so damn bad. You'll suck at using it... probably won't be able to drive worth shit... and will be kinda shitty in melee combat too, but at least you'll be able to buy anything you want.
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Also: My guy would be what? A torment of 3 or 4? I remember FZ going into what faction I would be in (Luciferian or Faustian Slayer), but I don't think he mentioned how much torment I would have. Not that I would want to reduce it to zero or whatever... I'm just curious as to whether my apocalypse form would be all demony or all angely... I'd kinda like an angel only with black wings and blood stained armor. That'd be cool... Even if I rarely get to use it... |
Samejima Mamimi of FLCL infamy.
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EDIT: Snefix: Very the kawaii. EDIT THE SECOND: krylo, The Visage of the Celestials sounds good for you. It's the classic "figure of lordly might" angelic visage, which degrades into "tyrannical mien" as your torment goes up. |
So that's why the earthbound ones are so damned dangerous? ...That clears a lot of stuff up.
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They still cannot have faith. Faith is the belief in something even when there is no proof of it, thus a normal person believing in God would be an act of faith, since God isn't standing next to me going, "Yo, FZ, what's going on?" I need to believe in an abstract concept that I cannot fully comprehend and that has no proof, thus an act of faith. A demon knows God exists. Thus, they cannot have faith in the normal sense of the word since they know God exists. This point is ironically brought up in the Demon Handbook, where a Priest and a Devil are having a discussion on faith. The Priest says that it is not the goal of the Fallen to believe in God to recieve redemption, for they know God exists, but they must believe and blindly trust in God's infinate love and wisdom, even though they were persecuted for and banished to the Abyss by His will. Even though they were punished by Him, they must come to have faith in the fact that he is still a loving God, and that all he did was in their best interests. Although Dante seems to have covered it well from a technical angle. |
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But what if a fallen believed in Gaia, and a werewolf believed in God?
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...Now I wanna be a zero torment gaia believing Fallen. Fear the holy-gaiastic smack down!
Seriously though: God created the universe, and Gaia is the spirits/life forces of earth, right? Given that, the two theologies aren't completely incompatible, but how could a fallen get redemption through a lesser being? I say Gaia is lesser because God would have had to create Gaia as well. It's also the only way I can see both the fallen and werewolves existing as they do. |
Actually, why only God? Why not Zues, or Buddah, or... I don't know any other religions, but you see what I'm getting at.
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Gaia wouldn't want anything to do with a fallen. She would probably regard them as creatures of the wyrm and thus evil.
besides Gaia does not do anything on an earthly scale. She does not and cannot get involved in campaigns directly so this would be werewolves that would have to accept the fallen and werewolves are more or less soldiers. They have a definate "rip apart now ask questions later" attitude. EDIT: On werewolves believing in God it is an impossibility. How can you believe is God when Gaia is staring you in the face? Gaia is the werewolves religion and they KNOW she exists. Thus no werewolf would ever believe in any other deity. There is also another explanation for the whole true faith thing. To have true faith you must be human. You must be part of the pattern. Of the consensus as a mage would put it. Vampires can have true faith because they used to be part or the pattern. Other supernaturals were always inhuman and thus can never have true faith. |
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It's not just God, it's any concept of the Almighty. True Faith comes from utterly acknowledging the concept of such a being... and Werewolves cannot do that with Gaia. Why? Because Gaia is wounded and NEEDS THEIR HELP, and the concept of the Almighty is that he can NEVER be wounded or marred, nor would he even need the specks that he created to help him. |
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Ok, I lied. I cracked open the mage character generation file and now have a few questions.
1. When it says "Prioritize the three categories: (7/5/3). Your character gains the process with one dot in each Attribute." What exactly does that mean? Do I select one column fillin seven dots in that column, choose another column fill in five dots in that column, and then fill in three dots in the last? Also, if I'm to fill them in do the single dots(the character sheet I printed from white wolf had the first dots colored in for each attribute) already filled in count towards the total priortize for that column(i.e. I'd only fill in four dots in the first column, two in the second, none in the third)? 2. That same as question one except with regards to "Step Three: Select Abilities Prioritize the three categories: (13/9/5)" 3. What is "Quintessence" and my "Avatar Background"? 4. What is "Resounance"? This wasn't explained at all and it seems I'm to select one in Step Five. |
1. Look at the charecter sheet. Under "atributes" it has 3 collums each with 3 rows. You get 7 dots to fill in circles with on one collum, 5 on one and 3 on one. The single dots count. Everyone has at least 1 dot in every attribute unless otherwise noted.
2 same answer on you don't get starting dots in abilities. 3... dante will explain this from the book. It's complicated. Basically it's fuel that a mage can use for casting stuff. Your avatar is what allows you to use magic. True magic in WoD basically consists of your charecter willing the universe to do what they want it to. In order to be able to do this you must have a VERY strong will which is what the awakened avatar effectively is. Th avatar background represents how strong a mage's avatar is over and beyond that of the average mage. In game terms it determines how much quintessence you start with and how much you can hold. 4. once again dante and the book. |
If you have any more questions, direct them to Mage#27 or Dante since they are both here and know what they are talking about when it comes to WoD. However, it's 3:24 AM here, and it's time for me to get to bed.
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3:24 here too. I SHOULD go to bed (and probably will soon enough) but I'm still around for the time being.
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Werewolves aren't this confusing right?
Completely unrelated to RP note: I hate when threads are locked while you are typing your post and a dumbass is given the last word. (Sure, it's only happened to me this one time, but it's still annoying) |
I assume you mean fifthfiend by dumbass... I mean, I know some of my 'pathetic character' reasons were shitty... but I'm just hot and tired and unable to remember well enough to get character quirks on all of them...
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Most of yours were accurate (Though you missed some of my favorites), and yes I meant fifthfiend. Stupid Kain loving idiots...
Edit - I'm actually glad she locked the thread, I didn't like it much. But I must post in any vs. thread, just because I want to even if I don't like it... I hate her timing though. |
Just out of curiousity--what are your favorites?
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Things in paranthesis are my changes.
FF4 (Entire story was a bad fairy tale) Cecil: Allowed himself to be used by a fiend who took the place of the king and didn't even notice. (Completely randomly placed and timed event to make him ‘good’) Rydia: Intense fear of fire, although she gets past it, making her less than pathetic. (Raised by monsters, lived in a whale’s mouth) Kain: Rosa. (His existence) (Cid): He fought with wooden wrenches. Edward: He was in love with a dead chick... he also had the HIDE ability in battle. (Spoony) FFVI Sabin: Spent most of his life running away from his responsibilities. (Dumbass, Mr. Thou) Shadow: Killed his emotions... and gave terra the angsty emo-bitch advice about just killing her emotions. (Is father of Relm) Cyan: Intense fear of technology. (Thou) (Old man): He was like 90 and Relm was still more mature than him. Relm: ...The 'sketch' ability. She attacks by DRAWING things. The hell!? (Annoying bitch) (Umaro: Complete and utter idiot) FFVII Cloud: "OMG! I R NOT TEH REEL!" (Had so many chances for some ass but never noticed) Tifa: She was too caught up in having Cloud to ever tell him the truth. (Back problems) Vincent: He was an angsty emo goth boy. He was a cool one... but he was still one. (Lost a girl to Hojo, the insane goth scientist) Yuffie: She fucked over the team a couple times... really, she's not that pathetic, other than the hyperness. (Daddy’s girl but won’t admit it) (Cid: Beats his bitch) FFVIII Quistis: Obsessed with Squall... who was a complete asshole. (Lesbian) Rinoa: Obsessed with Seifer, who's an even bigger asshole than Squall... who she fell in love with. Also her whole "I can't do anything" bullshit. (Whore) Zell: Also hyper as hell... also was really easy to make fun of/pick on. (Choked on a hotdog) (Siefer: Pissed he lost Roina and didn't get to SEED, so joins with goth evil girl) |
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instead of spheres, resonance, etc werewolves have rage, gnosis, gifts, rituals and suchlike. Then you have to record your attributes in the 5 different forms... hmm I guess it is worse. Actually thinking about it mage charecter creation is quite easy considering how rules heavy the game is and considering how simple werewolf is in comparison their creation is really hard... |
Lupines have a lot of bells and whistles... now I'll have to put up info packets for them as well...
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Man, I go to sleep for one night, and I miss just about everything. Once I find my bearings, and I'm not actually doing work, I'll get started on my mage. Great job so far Dante with all the stuff you "produced". Should be a very, very involving process for selecting my charecter.
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Hoho. Is it actually possible in the scope of the game for an Demon to get down to 0 torment? What would that actually do to them?
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For the purpose of this RP it isn't possible. It is a very, very long road of doing pure good and finding the ability to have True Faith again for a Fallen to achieve 0 Torment. This will not be within the scope of this RP. At best, you will only be able to drop about 1 point, maybe two. You will have MANY more opportunities to raise your Torment, since it is easy to do pure evil, but hard to do pure good.
In the scope of a long running game of Fallen encompassing many adventures and experiences with 1 character, it is possible... In theory... And werewolves aren't more complex, just complex in different ways. Every race has their complexities in ways different from the others. That's why I said this RP would be so hard to do. |
Ok, I think I pretty much understand most of this. However, I'm curious to know why quintessence and pardox are on opposite sides of the same circle? How do I mark my initial quintessence and any paradox that I may accumulate as they are on both parts of the same circle?
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Well, I don't think you need to literally mark them down if you don't want to. Record the number of Quintessence to the side or something instead. I record and give out any information needed in text packets, so you could record your Sign-Up in a word or text document, and just worry about the number of Paradox and Quintessence instead of how that circle works. I'll be keeping track of all this as well however.
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(For the unenlightened, what I'm talking about is a little circle made of 20 squares on the character sheet used to record Quintessence and Paradox) |
Can somone sum up what happened over the past 140 posts?(yes, I was gone that long)
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Mages are complicated, mixed races are bad, krylo is every one but you on this site, the ultimate weapon against vampires are flame throwers and super soakers filled with Sunny Delight.
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Would using a Super Soaker full of Sunny D as a focus for a Forces rote make it coincidental?
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So....complicated....need.....help....can't....AAA AHHHHHH *head explodes*
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Oh, and I need to ask all the Mage experts here about making coincidental effects. For example, let's say I decide to use Correspondence 3 to get me over to somewhere I have to go. The vulgar way would be to simply teleport there. The coincidental way is apparently to have a cab miraculously appear when you need it and get you there. So is the effect Correspondence 3 or Entropy (you're making the cab appear in front of you, by sheer dumb luck). Or have I got it all wrong-assed again? |
It's reasonably self explanatory if you get a charecter sheet and start doing what it says.
the only hard parts are the fact that alot of your numbers (gnosis, rage, and willpower) must come from the book. A part of the book that Dante hasn't posted yet. also a note: Kinfolk are not werewolves. The explanation makes it sound like they are but they aren't. Kinfolk are humans or wolves who have some Garou (werewolf) blood. another note: Delirium is what happens when a mortal sees your crinos form. They basically get real scared and run away. This is a magical effect that has nothing to do with what the form looks like. EDIT: I have had many long disscusions about that. I personally say that a coincedental effect can be anything as long as it accomplishes what it is supposed to do. IE your cab example could be corespondance. there is a quote from the rulebook that goes somthing like "when a mage casts a coincedental effect he doesn't so much make somthing happen as weave the effect into the pattern and wait to see what comes of it" IE when casting conincedental you won't always know what is gonna happen only that somthing will. in short yeah it's confusing. The only answer is that the GM will let us do what the GM wants to let us do. It will probably depend on how convincing we can make it... also note that not all tradidtions have access to that sort of coincedental effect. A hermetic could use corespondance to summon a cab and a cult of ecstasy certainly could but somthing like that just wouldn't be in the right paradigm for a virtual adept or a son of ether. Their magic is tied to the use of technology and even though they technically coulld perform that effect they don't believe that they could. EDIT: Dante you made a supersoaker full of kerosene? Wow. |
It does need a little more explanation... but I can almost make a character out of that.
Things that need to be expounded upon: What is concept? Just what it sounds like? I assume you pick 7/5/3 points for each area (physical, social, mental) and then assign those points to the more specific areas within that? It's unclear in the file. Needs a more comprehensive list of abilities and what have you. |
Delirium also depends on WIllpower - high WP mortals will remember the Garou, and in some cases may actually strike back.
I'll try to put up rhe Rage and Gnosis explanation soon, and while I'm at it, the Willpower thing as well. |
Be sure to put up a comprehensive list of backgrounds and skills and what have you as well... and the numbers you need.
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Concept is what your charecter is. It's a 1 or 2 word description of your charecter. Sort of like class only it has no in game effect.
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In any case, I'll complete Mage first, since there are many Mage players. Then I'll do Werewolf, then Fallen, then Vampire. The Fallen chargen summary should be coming soon. I would have posted it earleir, but the damn Acrobat character recongnition function has failed me again... |
The beauty of Mage is that either Correspondence or Entropy would work, depending on the mage's paradigm. With limited Spheres, and the realization that the mage in question probably does not think of them as such, one must be...creative.
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I know there are many ways to achieve a desired outcome, depending on what SPheres and what kind of paradigm you have...
Incidentally, how do you roleplay increased Arete when working magick? EDIT: Demon chargen summary up. |
To FZ: To finish off my character, his nature is obsessive. His demeanor is friendly, outgoing, and studious. As Sons of Ether's tradition is in matter, just tack on an extra point in that sphere, or how many there is supposed to be.
Dimitri's Darlok's Background Story: Dimitri is the son of Ivan and Nina Darlok. Ivan, a nuclear physicist, and Nina, a biologist, escaped and defected from the Soviet Union in 1982. They gave birth to Dimitri in 1984, with his mother's eyes and his father's nose. Dimitri is now twenty years old and one of the most popular students on his college campus. His intelligence and upbringing allows him to excel in his academic work; however, academia greatly bores him to the point of hatred and rebellion against the facets of modern technology. His true passion lies in the study of magik, which first interested him when he realized the small amathyst bear figurine his mother gave him when he was born seemed to posses unusual properties. To other RPers,specifically Dante: What exactly is the differance between Dynamic, Entropic, and Static Resonance? How many dots are supposed to be filled in? It doesn't state the number in the Chargen file. |
Resonance - one dot only. It's not really that important (I think). It seems to be a theme/FX for your magick.
Dynamic Resonance is FX that connotes energy, vibrancy and power. E.g. (Burning, Crackling, etc.) Static Resonance connotes organization, order and repetition. (E.g. Monotonous, Multiplicative) Entropic Resonance connote darkness, destruction and disruption. (E.g. Discordant, Collapsing) I may be off in my interpretation, in which case I will defer to reality_deviant's better judgement. |
FZ: Throw down one dot worth of Dynamic Resonance. :)
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GAK! All right, this has gone a bit overboard.
There is a reason I didn't make this a sign-up. I am a senior in High School, and I'm about to graduate, and I have a shitload of assignments on my back right now. This RP will take A LOT of time that I will need to dedicate specifically to it. It is deep, complex, and still not completed. This thread was what it says it was, to gain interest in the RP and to see if it would be worth it to devote time to it. Since I have 11 people interested, that is enough in my book, and I will do it, but it will need time. Lots of time. This will not be ready to go this week, next week, or possibly even the week after that. I wasn't releasing a ton of info partially because I didn't have it, but also partially because I wasn't anywhere near ready to start it. I haven't read the books enough, and I haven't balanced it enough, and I still need to work through lots of details and issues before this RP is ready. And not only that, but the next few weeks of my life will be a hectic trip through Hell, and I won't have time for much more then getting my school projects in on time. So while your interest is appreciated, and I really want to thank you Dante for all the help with interpretations and getting up information packets, I am not accepting any sign-ups, and I am no where near ready to start this RP. When I am ready, which will be at an indefinate period of time in the future, there will be a sign-up, and by then this RP will be ready, but until then, could I please ask that you hold onto the packets and wait until an official Sign-Up begins. Thank you for your interest. In other words, thank you for the interest, but please no Sign-Ups right now. Snefix, yours is stored for when I do get around to making a sign-up. |
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Well , like FZ said, hold your horses. The reason why I put those packets up is so that you can read and understand what you're geting yourself into. WoD characters are *complex* - no two ways about it. SO I wanted everyone to familiarize themselves with the rules... especially FZ. God knows how he's going to handle all of this when it actually starts. EDIT: If you put up your characters, know that FZ has NO obligation to comment on it, to accept it, or even acknowledge his existence, given that he's still in school and has to assimilate five gaming systems worth of info without the benefoit of hardcopies. |
D'oh alright then my mistake, ill take down to post too. Didn't know that we wern't supposed to. Alright then I'll conitnue to work on it in secret untill you have it all set up and ready for everyone. My apoligies again.
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No problem. It wasn't explicitly mentioned, so i thught I might as well say it. FZ seems pretty stressed now, so I'll try and take questions for him.
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FZ, we love you for making this RP and putting yourself through all this work for us undeserving worms. You just take your time.
And Dante... What are tradition, essence, nature, and demeanor for demons? There's not much about it in the file... and I'm curious. |
Aw FUCK! I KNEW I shouldn't have ripped it off the Mage chargen...
Ignore tradition, ignore Essence, but nature and demeanor affect how you regain WP. Nature is your personality, and when you do stuff in accordance with your personality, you regain WP. Demeanor is the personality you let people see, and if you do stuff in accordanc with it, you gain WP back too. Edited version coming soon. Damn me... |
HAH! Dante fucked uuuup! Dante fucked uuuup! As though that's anything new.
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Yes, I am really stressed out. I want to do this RP, but now isn't the time for it. I'm getting hassled frequently in real life on all fronts, and until I can get at least school out of the way, I just don't have the time to spare to read through and adapt/balance 5 different RPG books. However, once life gives me a breather, and I know I won't have frequent graduation related distractions and school related projects (Which is such bullshit that in our final year, the teachers decide to put us through the wringer, crush us flat with the workload, then say if you can't handle it, then YOU WILL BE SCREWED FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE *Evil Teacher Laugh*... *Sigh* Such is life), THEN this RP will get off the ground.
So yes, there are a great many other people on this board who are skilled in the WoD who will answer any questions and help you in any way possible, and I will be around here still and will help with minor issues or things I do know on WoD, but I will not worry one bit about Sign-Ups until I actually get a Sign-Up thread here. Then you will know that the GM's life has sorted itself out, he has worked through all the issues, and he is in fact ready to put the effort required into making this RP run smoothly. |
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krylo, I will certainly arrange for you to become an infernal servant of the Earthbound as soon as possible...
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Doesn't matter which kind of Earthbound he is, just say that he knows krylo's demon's True Name, then he's screwed.
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So... Dante... have I ever told you how much I love you? No, really. You're SUPER cool!
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I do have one question though, what is the time period for this? Present, past, future? alien dimension? Solidarity of a black hole? (although I don't think that time would really be a factor then, we'd all be dead and spaghetified.)
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All right, I have a feeling this is about to get weird...
And Bass, it takes place in Modern Day. Cars, tanks, planes, guns, the whole nine yards. |
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