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Professor Smarmiarty 11-11-2008 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Meister (Post 860886)
Chuck Palahniuk liked the movie ending to Fight Club better than the book one which he himself had written.

Notice how I said when the original author was excellent. Yeah.

TheWolf13 11-11-2008 11:50 AM

Snyder pretty much said who would believe in a giant squid forcing world peace.

The same people who believe in blue guys with powers over space and time. It is frikking fiction.

If Manhattan leaves earth permanently who kills Rorschach?

Meister 11-11-2008 01:01 PM

Is it internally consistent fiction that makes logical sense, though?

I think it is, actually, at least no more or less so than the alien. They can pretty much substitute "giant explosions everywhere" for "giant thing appears," and everything else can still happen as it does in the book, i.e. Manhattan can still kill Rorschach while he's at Ozymandias' antarctica retreat. No one witnessed him return for a few hours in the book, either.

... you know, I always did think it was a bit weird how, in a book about superheroes that makes a point of stating that there is only one guy with actual supernatural powers, they suddenly start talking about psychic people near the end like they're the most normal thing in the world. You could argue their existence was something Ozymandias kept under the hood together with the necessary knowledge about genetic engineering, but it still threw me off even the first time around.

Mirai Gen 11-11-2008 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants (Post 860891)
Notice how I said when the original author was excellent. Yeah.

My desire to say you're wrong is overwhelmed by my desire to agree, and they're kind of having a war with each other right now. Let me get back to you.

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... you know, I always did think it was a bit weird how, in a book about superheroes that makes a point of stating that there is only one guy with actual supernatural powers, they suddenly start talking about psychic people near the end like they're the most normal thing in the world. You could argue their existence was something Ozymandias kept under the hood together with the necessary knowledge about genetic engineering, but it still threw me off even the first time around.
That's one of the things I wonder about, too; maybe he did it to make the movie easier to swallow? Because if I was a movie script writer (Which I could totally see) and someone said that, at the end of the book, psychics are introduced to make something more threatening, I'd go, "Uh, can we work that out?"

In Watchmen it worked because it could layer the fact that this is an alternate universe of the 1980s, since Manhattan advanced sci-fi tech by a thousandfold, as represented by lots of the tools used. I'm not sure an audience would pick up on that, especially not since hovercrafts like Archie have been used in X-Men movies over the last ten years, and Batman gadgets have become almost staples.

Regardless, I'm going to go watch the trailer again.

BitVyper 11-11-2008 03:49 PM

What? Could they not afford four seconds of dead CG monster?

Fifthfiend 11-11-2008 03:56 PM

The point of the Squidbilly was to horrify the world with the sudden appearance of something totally outside all previous human experience.

Swapping that out for 'setting off a lot of bombs' seems to mute that somewhat. Even if they are super-swanky Doc Manhattan bombs. Also at a glance it would appear to conflict with his whole thing about trying to avert nuclear war.

I mean in all honesty I always thought the Squidbilly itself was a little bit weak dramatically, but the bombs thing is substantially weaker.

Professor Smarmiarty 11-11-2008 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 861097)
The point of the Squidbilly was to horrify the world with the sudden appearance of something totally outside all previous human experience.

Swapping that out for 'setting off a lot of bombs' seems to mute that somewhat. Even if they are super-swanky Doc Manhattan bombs. Also at a glance it would appear to conflict with his whole thing about trying to avert nuclear war.

I mean in all honesty I always thought the Squidbilly itself was a little bit weak dramatically, but the bombs thing is substantially weaker.

Actually this is a good point. All during hte cold war people built bigger and bigger bombs. The response of the other side? Let's build an even bigger bomb.
Aslo Dr Manhatten is someone that can be reasoned with. People would try and side with him and get him on thier side. Alien space squids are not like that. The only option is for everyone to work together because what's happening, no one knows.

Archbio 11-11-2008 04:08 PM

Ah, the good old 'watering down' approach to adaptation.

Kim 11-11-2008 04:11 PM

Apparently giant C'thulhu monsters aren't cool nowadays. Nowadays sucks, let's go back to when C'thulhu, Yog-Sothoth and I would all get together for a game of insanity chess.

ALSO: Nuklear wepons do not send out psychic images of babies eating their way out of the womb.

Magus 11-11-2008 05:41 PM

My perspective is from the very beginning of this project Snyder has gone on and on about how he wouldn't back down on making this as faithful an adaptation as possible, standing up for leaving it in 1985, keeping everything exactly the same as a comic...and then he changes the ending and goes, "WELL OF COURSE MOVIES CANNOT BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEIR SOURCE MATERIAL, SOME THINGS JUST NEED CHANGED, IT'S THE OVERALL THEME THAT'S IMPORTANT." If he hadn't lied in the beginning I wouldn't be mad at him in particular at this moment, simply at the entirety of Hollywood in general like usual.

Next he'll have Ozymandias die at the hand of Nite Owl (Hayter script as an example) and say, "WELL THE AUDIENCE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACCEPT SOMEONE DOING THAT AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT. DON'T WORRY, THE WORLD IS STILL TRICKED INTO BELIEVING THE LIE, AND SUCH, JUST THIS WAY THE VILLAIN GETS HIS COMEUPPANCE, AS IS TRADITIONAL TO THE THEME OF COMIC BOOK MOVIES AND SUCH. REALLY IT'S NOT SO IMPORTANT THAT OZYMANDIAS' LIVES AS THAT HIS PLAN TO FOOL THE WORLD WORKS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?"

The idiocy of keeping everything exactly the same and then changing stuff like this is stupid, especially since it makes for plot holes (as someone else pointed out, Veidt is trying to prevent nuclear war...so he blows up half the world's cities? The point of the comic was that he destroys half of one major city, causing enough destruction to stun the world into peace but not enough to actually 'cause what he was trying to avoid, the death of billions.)


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