9/11 hearings
 

you know it's really getting tiresome seeing this clog the news networks

senator: did you know 9/11 was going to happen

person: i wish/no/maybe but not really/i'm sorry

this is bullshit, first they make themselves look like idiots when they mention a now declassified document in a negative light. only to have us the public see that it brought nothing new to the table, and now they are boring us by dragging out these ultra-bland public hearings. i wouldn't mind this, but they aren't bringing anything new out to the public, like at all and the news networks are covering them like the blind sheep that they are. they really need to make these hearings private because i'm sick and tired of this

It's a way to blame Bush for it. I may not like the guy but damn... Clinton didn't do much for this situation either.

Just more kettle callin' the pot black. Making Rice pretty much say her boss is incompetent... Meh.

How do you prevent it from ever happening again. That's the question. Not who's to blame.

looking at was done before 9/11 is a good wya to figure out what to do to prevent it happening again.

but.. that's already happened. the Bush administratoin hasn't been sitting around picking its nose. He's increased inter-agency cooperation, he's increases homeland measures, he's increased funding, he's increased response measures, he's increased intelligence, he's taken the offensive in Agahnistan, he's taken diplomatic measures in Suadi Arabian and Jordan and Uzbeckistan and Pakistan. There's also the controlversial actions he's taken like deposing Saddam Hussien and the passing of the PATRIOT act.

they're all changes. for the better? maybe maybe not.

teh 9/11 commission could teach us a lot about what was done, what wasn't done, and what we should do. Ma

the problem si that, at least in the media, and partly in the quesitoning, its become a partisan blame game. Blaming Tenent or Bush or Ashcroft or Clinton or Reno or anyone isn't going to tell us how to stop another 9/11.

of course, we only hear the political part. In the end the commission might turn out valuable recommendations and findings. I don't expect that part of the hearings to get much play anyway.

Any valuable information or hints at better places for security aren't likely to be found until the media wind blows past. 9/11 is something to be looked at seriously, but not while any of us are alive.. The best information is the kind we'll get when historians look through the pages without political and media pressure to find answers.

The reason why 9/11 was able to happen was the combined effect of a variety of things. First of all, the intelligence community is broken, and even now is still broken, and they don't bother changing because it still seems too daunting of a task.

Also, nobody took responsiblity then & nobody is taking responsibilty now. Mistakes were made prior to 9/11, and despite that, the changes we've made are mostly cosmetic, and no real meat behind them.

9/11 very well could happen again, and its because of the false comfort of sticking with a system that kinda works, instead of being daring enough to try something new, that could fail.

Sky Warrior Bob

"the changes we've made are mostly cosmetic, and no real meat behind them"

? whats PATRIOT? whats invading afghanistan? whats taking the fight against terrorists to Indonesia, the philipines, Africa, paksitan? What is Task Force 121?

those are "cosmetic"?

What is task force 121? I got all that other stuff, but...

task force 121 is the deadliest military force in existence at the moment. its about a 1,000 "operators" that has taken up residence in the Afghan mountains. Their operations are so hush hush that military personnel NOT in the task force are not allowed in their section of the base they operate out of. We DO know that the force was assembled from the best helicopter pilots, intelligence operators, linguists, commandos, and paramilitary groups in the united states.

there's actually several such forces. some are in Indonesia, i believe, and several in Africa. If i'm not mistaken, a similar force is Task Force Horn of Africa, operating against terrorist camps and organizations in the Somalia/Ethiopia area. There is also another task force in Chad. Apparently they've chased terrorists and militant islamists out of Chad and into Niger (Nigeria? the country south of Chad, whatever it is.)

i think this is what Bill Clinton called "black ninjas rappelling out of helicopters"


I found the full quote. "It would scare the (expletive) out of al Qaeda if suddenly a bunch of black ninjas rappelled out of helicopters in to the middle of their camp. It would get us an enormous deterrence and show those guys we're not afraid."

lol. who said Clinton wasn't good for anything?


EDIT:
i found out that Task Force 5 and Task Force 20 were combined to make Task Force 121. TF20 was responsible for nabbing the Hussein Brothers, along with teh 101st airborne. TF 121 captured Saddam.

also, TF 121 may include other nation's spec ops troops, like British and Australian SAS and Poland's GROM.

See? not many people know about these and other groups. Then they equate the fact that they dont know everything our govt is doing, to the assumtion that our govt isnt doing anything. which is where you get the complaint that we havent been going after usama, and that Iraq was a distraction. well you get iraq is a distraction also from people who refuse to see it as part of the war on terror for whatever reason.

but to the 9/11 hearings, has anyone heard about Gorelick being called to resign from the commission? It appears she was the author of the memo that put up the "wall" between the CIA and FBI that made it very hard for either to cooperate and "connect the dots"

Question, was this wall nessasary? is it still?

from what i understand, PATRIOT tore down that wall.