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Samus vs Vader - Vader. Vader can precog eveything Samus throws at him, can simply Grip/Saber her. Then there's the matter of his Force Block, which is basically a lightsaber attack deflection using his gauntlet as a focus (Plo Koon uses that too, IIRC). Samus may have a firepower advantage, but the only way she's even going to have a decent chance against Vader is if she gets her ship and starts shooting, and even then Vader has ways to win.

And as for whoever said the Death Star would lose to Galactus and Unicron... Let's see... apart from the superlaser, the Death star only has hundreds of thousands of heavy turbolasers, which are a hell of a lot more powerful than than the Acclamator's (from EP2) guns, which are in turn rated at 200 GTs of firepower per shot. Death Star heavy turbolasers also have a fire rate of 1/second, so whichever side is being attacked can bring minimum 50'000 heavy TLS to bear on Galactus/Unicron. Death Star 2 also took only 1 minute between planet-killing shots.

And krylo, TLs do NOT move at the speed of light. They are NOT lasers, but something else (don't ask me what).

All this information is derived from stardestroyer.net, one of the eminent sites of Star Wars research on the Net. Question it if you want - just sign up at the forums and rant.

TL's(and every other "laser weapon" in SW) has to use bursts of some quasi energy/matter mix...thingy. Because they have the ability to push things back (like matter) but aren't solid (like energy). I have never visited stardestroyer.net(I will be soon), is straight from my very modest brain.

The term turbolaser is something of a misnomer... Turbblaster would be slightly more accurate.

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just sign up at the forums and rant.

But that's what we have this place for.

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The term turbolaser is something of a misnomer... Turbblaster would be slightly more accurate.

Not quite. The turbolasers have vastly different properties from the blasters, the most obvious of which being that they don't use the super charged gas that a blaster uses, but rather siphon direct energy from the star destroyer, or, in this case, the death star.

Quoted from Star Wars Turbolaser Commentaries:

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The controversial EGW&T states that TL technology and blaster technology are similar and describes the firing process this way:

When a blaster is fired, a small amount of high-energy blaster gas moves from the gas chamber to the gas conversion enabler (commonly called an XCiter). There the gas is excited by energy from the weapon's power source, which is a small power pack for hand weapons and a reactor or a power generator for a larger weapon. The excited gas passes into the actuating blaster module, where it is processed into a beam comprised of intense energy particles coupled with light.

It goes on to say that "the bolt's visible light is a harmless by-product of this reaction". In another section, it states:

Turbolasers are two-stage supercharged laser cannons. The small primary laser produces an intense energy beam that enters the turbolaser's main actuator, where it interacts with a stream of energized blaster gas to produce an intense blast.
Therefore, a possibility exists that blasters may be called "blasters" because they have nothing to do with lasers, but TLs have the word "laser" in their name because they use a laser to excite the gases.

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Some references give similar descriptions, but others contradict it. The Star Wars Visual Dictionary states:

Common blaster weapons use high-energy gas as ammunition, activated by a power cell and converted into plasma. The plasma is released from a magnetic bottle effect to fire through collimating components as a coherent energy bolt.
The problem is that these sources are considered "official", but not "canon". Both sources hold similar status, so the reader must determine which one is the most accurate by comparing it with observations of the canon films.

Well, the Fuzzy Vong are considered Canon, until they conflict with the movies themselves. The Fuzzy Vong used plasma weapons, and the people had never seen plasma weapons, which is why they were dangerous... thus the plasma source is contradicted by canon.

Even George Lucas has said that the novels are canon unless they conflict with something that has been shown on tv or in movies.

Further, the Roleplaying Games, which must be ok'd by LucasArts state:

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Actuating Blaster Module
this blaster component takes the excited gas from the Xciter chamber and converts it into a beam of intense energy and light. The energy and light are subsequently focused - a process called galvening - as it passes through the barrel of the weapon. (CFG)

A beam of intense energy and light. Further:

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common name given to any hand-held laser weapon. They come in all shapes and sizes, from small holdout weapons to heavy repeating rifles. They most often employ a small power pack consisting of a ionized cryogenic cells. The power packs generate coherent packets of light, much like a ship-mounted laser. They can be set to various power outputs, from stun to vaporation. (SW, SWSB)

And the source for that is "A New Hope" and the Star Wars Source Book.

And, from the same sources:

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Turbolasers
huge laser batteries which use highly-intensified power sources to augment the strength of the laser bolt. They can be hard to target and often misfire, but when they are on-target, the damage is incredible. Thus, turbolasers are often used against capital ships. They are prone to overheat, due to the needs of the turbo-power source. (SW, SWSB)

However, since we can see a BOLT travelling in all the movies, it CANNOT be a laser. Movies override the books, and I doubt the SWSB and their like are canon.

I'll post up the canon policy when I find it.

EDIT: Found it.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html

Yes, but you can also hear explosions in space, thus by that measure there must be air and particles in space in the star wars universe. Not to mention that SW isn't the first Sci-fi franchise to make laser's visible to the naked eye and not move fast enough...

Edit: And the turbolasers don't appear as bolts, either. Only blasters do, the turbolasers appear as a stream of energy, much more like what a laser would look like... if we could see them from the sides, which we can't.

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Yes, but you can also hear explosions in space, thus by that measure there must be air and particles in space in the star wars universe.

Irrelevant.

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Not to mention that SW isn't the first Sci-fi franchise to make laser's visible to the naked eye and not move fast enough...

Well, their exact nature remains undetermined, and assuming that SW turbolasers are lasers is a post hoc fallacy (As in, SW energy weapons are lasers because they look like lasers)

EDIT: Check out SWTC, I'm sorry to keep pushing you somewhere else, but that site really does all the debating for me.