Actually the miracle is WATER to wine.

Blood is almost all water.

The water in blood becomes alcohol, and the alcohol content of the blood is FAR too great for anything to survive.

Dude, they came and waited on him after he rejected the devil during his ordeal in the desert.

Yes, but when beseeched by Mary, he turned water into wine for the wedding of a friend. And blood is mostly water.

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In any case, Jesus has available to himself the full power of God Almighty. He didn't use it in his time of preaching because it wasn't in his mission, and he let the Romans kill him in order to fulfill the prophesies and cleanse mankind of its sins. If he made up his mind to do so, he could blink Mothra out of existence without even so much as a thought.

(Edit) Meh, no point. I still think Jesus is just the son of God and does not have any omnipotent powers beyond a couple mircales, but no one else does so Jesus wins.

Okay, so he leaves the realm of the living and thus he loses


He has the power to.

And when you come back the battle starts again.

He didn't try.

Not an infinite number.

Then you should define the debate terms more carefully. Concession accepted.

How am I supposed to 'define the debate terms'?

Edit - And it took Jesus hundreds of years to come back... Sure he comes back, but these battles should have time limits. That should be a rule. If self reviving takes more then a week, it should be considered a loss.

I kept my debate within the abilities he exhibited as JC... just altered the target slightly, as one may choose to use five pound telekinesis on a warrior's sword to stab them, instead of using it for something harmless like the cantrip was meant for, one may choose to use water to wine on a creature's blood.

Anyway... we now need a new fight.

it took Jesus hundreds of years to come back...

Three days. He was in the tomb for three days, then Zombie Jesus jumped up, went and showed all the apostles the holes in his hands, did a little dance, and then went up to Heaven.

And your meticulous, in-depth study of the scriptures is clearly what informs your argument.

The miracles were manifestations of his greater power. If you want proof, go find a bible somewhere -- hell, steal one from a hotel or something, the Gideons don't care.

It isn't like the Matrix, where the hero manifests a couple-odd superpowers and then that's just the utter limit of his abilities. Jesus didn't have such crappy scriptwriters.

Why am I having this argument? I don't even like Christianity.

I add this to reasons why we should just let Jesus arguments alone.

A navy guy vs. an army guy.

A navy guy vs. an army guy.

Army guy, unless the navy guy is a SEAL or a Marine.

heh, the debate rages. I'll say the same thing here that i said the time someone asked me this question.

Neither of them win, because the fight draws out Godzilla and he pwns them both. But then the JDF get's Godzilla drunk on sake and he passes out on the tokyo tower.

So in the end, no one wins. Don't tell me the JDF wins, because remember, when something dies it's bowels release...think on that.

Edit - Also, i don't know anything about this sandman death so but Discworld death likes cats so he wins by default.