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Dante 06-04-2004 10:38 PM

AAAAGH The vile Jedi Academy novels must die!

Force Crystals are mentioned in Jedi Outcast and KOTOR, though.

Forever Zero 06-04-2004 10:41 PM

Games are non-canon. Or, if you feel forced to say "YES THEY ARE!", then games come below novels. I believe the order is

1. Movies
2. Novels
3. Comics/Graphic Novels
4. Games

Since nearly everything comes before it, games might as well be non-canon.

Also in Shadows of the Empire (The book, not the game), Luke makes his own crystal from scratch.

Dragonsbane 06-04-2004 10:41 PM

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So sue me for not keeping current with D&D.

You disappoint me, Dante......

if you haven't been keeping current with your facts, then don't make a comment.

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Uh... the Knights have no stated alignment, they just come out and kick the ass of whomever Cloud wants them to...

the Knights do have alignment (Knights of the Round Table.....they were almost all good-aligned), Cloud just doesn't fight many good people/creatures.

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I don't care how fast he is, Cloud can take hits from WEAPON monsters and giant mecha. A couple of scimitar blades, however enchanted, won't hurt much. And if Drizzt tries to block that sharpened surfboard he is going to die.

Drizzt won't try to block that thing, he'll dodge it, then stick one of his scimitars through Cloud's head. If the first strike doesn't kill him, he'll wear him down. He's fast enough to just dodge until Cloud is too tired to move.....then start carving pieces off of him.

IHateMakingNames 06-04-2004 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonsbane
the Knights do have alignment (Knights of the Round Table.....they were almost all good-aligned), Cloud just doesn't fight many good people/creatures.

KotR don't have an alignment. They are just summons which attack what ever the summoner tells them to. So, they will attack and kill Drizzt.



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Drizzt won't try to block that thing, he'll dodge it, then stick one of his scimitars through Cloud's head. If the first strike doesn't kill him, he'll wear him down. He's fast enough to just dodge until Cloud is too tired to move.....then start carving pieces off of him.
What makes you think Cloud is slow? His sword being big would just make him faster. He's carried it around for years, he is used to it and has gone past it.

Sithdarth 06-04-2004 10:45 PM

Force crystals are talked about in most of the games. I'm also pretty sure that I've heard them talked about in one of those anime things that was done on Cartoon Network. For somewhat of an idea how the games use them go here http://www.swgcenter.com/info/article.asp?ID=1877. I'm not sure how closely related the books are to Lucas Arts but the games come directly from there so I'm inclined to belive them.

Edit: Now that I think about it. A force crystal may just be a term for a crystal infused with the force. So any Jedi could pick up a crystal and infuse it with the force.

Forever Zero 06-04-2004 10:46 PM

Knights of the Round have no alignment, they are a summon. They only do as ordered, then vanish again. I don't care of Drizzit is the Pope, they'll kick his ass without a thought.

And Cloud is damn fast as well. Haven't you seen the FFVII movie trailors? Plus Cloud's sword can be weilded pretty fast. I would say in a straight up fight, it would be close. And then Cloud would cast Ultima 4 times in a row, blowing Drizzit to cinders.

Dante 06-04-2004 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonsbane
You disappoint me, Dante......

if you haven't been keeping current with your facts, then don't make a comment.

In any case, you haven't rebutted my point that Kelemvor, possessed of all the powers of the three dead gods, could certainly overwhelm Myrkul.

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the Knights do have alignment (Knights of the Round Table.....they were almost all good-aligned), Cloud just doesn't fight many good people/creatures.
Evidence on this, please?

EDIT: And like FZ says, it doesn't matter.

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Drizzt won't try to block that thing, he'll dodge it, then stick one of his scimitars through Cloud's head. If the first strike doesn't kill him, he'll wear him down. He's fast enough to just dodge until Cloud is too tired to move.....then start carving pieces off of him.
Sure, as though he can dodge the guy who can hit Cactuars on a regular basis. And nobody has ever dodged an Omnislash.

Dragonsbane 06-04-2004 10:48 PM

he's slow compared to Drizzt, though.

Besides, Drizzt has the advantage of being under the personal protection of a Goddess (Mielikki), she won't let him die.

Drizzt knows a technique that makes him nearly untouchable by anyone who would obscure their own view (however little it is) by using a large weapon (such as Cloud's oversized butter knife).

Forever Zero 06-04-2004 10:52 PM

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he's slow compared to Drizzt, though.

This tells me nothing. This is equal to, "My guy is better because I say so!" In usefullness quotient. Give me examples of what he is faster then that I can relate too. I know Cloud is fast, you say your guy is fast. Is your guy faster then sound, cause Cloud is pretty damn fast...

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Besides, Drizzt has the advantage of being under the personal protection of a Goddess (Mielikki), she won't let him die.
Funny, the goddess must have been an off day when I killed Drizzt's ass in Baldur's Gate then...

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Drizzt knows a technique that makes him nearly untouchable by anyone who would obscure their own view (however little it is) by using a large weapon (such as Cloud's oversized butter knife).
What? That doesn't even make sense...

Edit: And about Force Crystals, note that in the example given, it says...

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I found "A crystal" - is that a force crystal?
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Yup, it sure is.
So any crystal can be a "Force Crystal" by their reckoning...

Dante 06-04-2004 10:52 PM

[QUOTE=Dragonsbane]he's slow compared to Drizzt, though.

Doesn't matter as long as he can chop Drizzt in half, very possible with Long Range materia, which allows you to ignore distance issues when striking. He can also use the accuracy plus materia, etc.

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Besides, Drizzt has the advantage of being under the personal protection of a Goddess (Mielikki), she won't let him die.
Quote proof, and if you're going to allow character shielding then this whole damn debate is moot.

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Drizzt knows a technique that makes him nearly untouchable by anyone who would obscure their own view (however little it is) by using a large weapon (such as Cloud's oversized butter knife).
Yeah yeah, heard this all before, then Cloud chops him in half or Summons something to kick Drizzt's ass.

EDIT: FZ, DB's talking about using the enemy's weapon as an optical shield so he can hide behind it and surprise Cloud, but it only works in VERY specific circumstances. Since Cloud holds his sword edge towards enemy, there's no optical shielding possible.


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