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IHateMakingNames 06-12-2004 06:19 PM

If he could block bolts, why didn't he bolt the couple of strays that the Emperor was giving off?

Also, Bolt 3 doesn't just shoot out in a single little thing like a blaster. It's a giant rain of lighting onto the target. You can't really block that with one hand. That, and if he tried to block with his hand, it would probably just go into his hand and destroy his cyborg parts.

BMHadoken 06-12-2004 06:23 PM

He didn't block because he needed both hands to hoist the Emperor up and throw him away.

And a direct blaster hit would have shattered his robot hand (unless its some super advanced metalloid) but he blocked it. EDIT: And the blaster kind of just stopped before it reached his hand, so would the Bolt.

Plus, I feel I should point out the semi-pre-cognition that all Jedi's have, so Vader would know that Sephy would attack anyway and respnd accordingly.

Dragonsbane 06-12-2004 06:31 PM

BMH is right, the bolt never touched Vader's hand, it was reflected by the Force before it hit.

IHateMakingNames 06-12-2004 06:33 PM

A blaster bolt is a little thing that is smaller then his hand. Bolt 3 is bigger then his body. He can't block it with his hand.

Dragonsbane 06-12-2004 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IHateMakingNames
I think it's safe to say that Bolt 3 is more powerful then Force Lighting (I've never seen Force Lighting killing a dragon in a hit).

IHMN, there ARE no dragons in the Star Wars movies! Of COURSE you wouldn't see one die that way if they don't exist in the SW universe!

[edit] You are correct that he couldn't block it with his hand, but he can block it with the Force, the same as he did to Solo's blaster bolts.

BMHadoken 06-12-2004 06:35 PM

Vader would just concentrate all the individual bolts into one big one, then just dissipate that one and finish choking.

He could also just snap Sephy's neck.

IHateMakingNames 06-12-2004 06:39 PM

I meant dragon in more of a dragon sized thing. Luke, who is small and stronger then Vader, was getting killed by the Emporer's lighting. Then Vader died to a couple of stray bolts.

If he can just use the force (Not hand+force) to block it, why didn't he do it with the Emporer?

I doubt Vader can't concentrate all the bolts into one. Luke couldn't do it, and Luke is stronger then Vader. Yes Yoda did it, but those bolts were close together in the first place.

It takes Vader time to snap necks. Even with weak, normal grunt soldiers, it took him at least 5 seconds to snap there necks.

BMHadoken 06-12-2004 06:42 PM

But he never really snapped their necks, he mocked and choked them, I'm talkin snapping your fingers and the collar bones snap and the dude crumbles.

And we really need FZ and his knowledge of Book-Vader in this, I'm assuming we're all running off of movie Vader (who had to look bad so Luke would seem badass).

Dragonsbane 06-12-2004 07:28 PM

Luke had never experienced or heard about Force Lightning before, of course he wouldn't know how to deal with it! Vader had his circuits fried because he wasn't using the Force to block those bolts....did you even watch the movies? He choked those soldiers slowly because he wanted them to realize their mistake, then die as pathetic failures.....'cause Vader is badass that way.

Vader wouldn't need to concentrate all the bolts into one......Han Solo shot several times, and not all of his shots were in exactly the same location, so Vader was probably using a sort of "Force Shield". He could use this Force Shield the same way to block Bolt3.

Krylo 06-12-2004 07:45 PM

Bolt 3 is not the same as a blaster bolt, nor is it the same as force lightning. The entire analogy is useless.

Force lightning is the darkside of the force manifest. Yoda didn't even block it in the same way as vader with the blaster bolts... he caught it in his hand.

And, Sephiroth could also use quake 3 to knock vader down, or Fire 3... or Ultima...

Vader has no chance in this battle. Sephiroth became a demigod. Vader was just a sithlord... and past sithlords, that STILL weren't as powerful as sephiroth, could have eaten Vader for breakfast.


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