and Kenshin uses a weapon that was never intended for combat, he deserves to get his ass kicked.

We could just use Samurai X Kenshin, before he had taken up the reverse blade sword. There. Now he'd kill riddick without breaking a sweat. Happy?

And I don't understand why people are so against him. Samurai tradition was shitty. You don't bow to a samurai and you get your head cut off. You think for yourself as a samurai and you're a traitor. You fail at ANY task your lord gives you and you commit suicide (and in real life, that thing that isn't anime and video games, many samurai chose to become ronin instead of dying. Don't fool yourself into thinking they're all super honorable like in the movies), or another samurai kills you for your dishonor. Yah. It was really great to be a samurai, and they all deserve tons and tons of praise for their culture and ways... that most of them didn't even follow.

They're just like the knights of england. You know, they had their code of chivalry too, and feudal europe was just as big on honor as feudal japan. We still know that knights would rape and kill women and slaughter children during war. The samurai are no different, their pasts are just better hidden.

So kenshin actually developed his OWN moral code. Yes, he must die because he decided that killing is wrong... kind of like every modern person who isn't legally insane has decided. That bastard.

Not to mention the whole damn thing is null and void because Kenshin is not a samurai. He's a manslayer. An assassin. He didn't work for a daimyo. He fought against the feudal system in order to help bring about the meji era. Just because he fights with a katana/a reasonable facsimile doesn't make him a samurai, any more than you'd be a samurai if you put on a warrior dress and picked up a katana.


Oh, and to noob: Ultima is pure energy as well... that's in a far more destructive form than a lightsaber. That doesn't even phase Sephiroth's last form. The lightsaber would go through him, IF Vader even managed to get that close before Sephiroth hit him with a barrage of spells (and that's a BIG if), and then Sephiroth would still be standing there in one piece.

we aren't using Sephiroth's last form, this is just plain old Sephi. Kenshin was weaker before he began using it, since he was less experienced then. Kenshin still loses to Riddick, and Vader still beats Sephiroth.

Actually, if you pay attention to the show AT ALL, you'll notice the Kenshin was more powerful before he began using it, since he was willing to kill all the time and constantly had the 'man slayer instincts'. You'll notice that throughout the show, several times, he says "I don't know if I can beat him as I am now." or "As a manslayer, I could have defeated him... but now..."

Kenshin turns Riddick into sashimi.

As for the other fight: So, you're going to put Vader, at his strongest, up against Sephiroth at his weakest, before even becoming a villain? That's fair. And Sephiroth still has the edge, because he's still faster, stronger, and more powerful magically than Vader is. Now it just gives vader the off chance of getting lucky and hitting Sephiroth with the lightsaber before Sephiroth cuts him in half, or incinerates him, or electrocutes him, or opens a fissure in the earth below him, or drowns him, or does a million other things he could do.

And Vader doesn't even have the defensive advantage, because Sephiroth has access to the barrier spell, with the right materia, which makes a character completely invincible for a limited amount of time.

Riddick has a lot more going for him than just night vision. He is quite strong, faster than normal, has instincts that border on precog, and an incredable tolerence for pain. (He can dislocate bones and put them back like nothing happened.) When he went up against Lord Marshal, who is a lot faster than Kenshin and more agile being half dead, and still manged to land quite a few hits and avoid some. Plus Lord Marshal can detach his soul and reach inside you and pull out yours, although Riddick managed to resist this. Even Samurai X Kenshin would have a problem. Riddick has on many occasions knew exactly were his enemies are without looking, and we can't forget he was able to tell the gender of someone, and the fact she was bleeding, god only knows how.

Sephiroth is none of those things, and if he was he was STILL beaten by a puny kid with an oversized butterknife. Vader allowed himself to be killed, sacrificing himself to save his son. Vader wins, either by beating Sephiroth on his own or by having a swarm of his fans and supporters beat Sephiroth into a bloody pulp.

And cutting logs in half with a dull sword doesn't show Kenshin's strength? He doesn't move fast enough that he can't be seen by normal people, Kenshin does. Kenshin's entire fighting style relies on knowing exactly what an enemy is going to do before they know what they're going to do. He has Riddick beaten here, too. Watch the last episode of Rurouni Kenshin. He got knocked down with injuries that should have killed him multiple times and then got back up and fought just as well as he did without being hurt. So... Marshal can move so fast that you can't follow him with your eyes? Maybe he is. I haven't seen the chronicles of Riddick yet... but I kind of doubt it, because that would just look hokey in live action. Because he's the hero. Kenshin also defeated characters who could move at, and this is using math in various ways to decide their speed, 200+ miles per hour (how fast you have to be to vanish from sight, how fast you have to be to get from point a to point b in the time it takes a drop of water to fall, the length of a tatami mat and how many he passed in a certain amount of time, etc. etc.). I HIGHLY doubt Marshal was as fast as that. And Kenshin was able to resist a move that froze a man's soul. I'm not seeing much difference. I'm still not seeing where he would have a problem, at all... given the point by point. This falls back to the precog thing, which I already countered... Sense of smell. Women on the rag smell like they're on the rag. Not that difficult if they don't have access to shit to make themselves smell pretty... especially when they're hanging all over you half the time like little lolita whores pretending to be boys.

Edit: DB, you and Fifth hate Sephiroth, and you, at least, FF7 (it seems by your comments on it's main villain and character) without any logical reasons. Your arguements are null and void so long as you keep falling back on 'punk kid with a butterknife', especially when you consider that the punk kid with a butterknife was a trained warrior, who fought giant beasts created by the planet to destroy people, had Jenova cells and mako energy infused into him, AND that butter knife, if you got the best weapon, was, basically, a lightsaber that worked by amplifying the user's life force into tangible force.

And, Vader does nothing to show he's phsyically powerful, except lifting up the emperor (which anyone could do), and, infact, show's that he's physically weak at the end. Sephiroth is physically better than him in everyway... and, until you show me where Vader summoned a giant planet killing meteor, while holding back the most powerful white magic spell, and still managing to take control of 'weapons' that should be attacking him... and STILL have power to fight off a team of highly trained warriors utilizing magic... I'm going to have to continue to believe that the force is shit compared to Sephiroth's magical abilities.

they both have precog, I always attributed Kenshin's vanishing to crappy graphics, and there's a HUGE difference in freezing the soul and stealing it.......Riddick is still cooler, and less of a weakling prettyboy.

Lord Marshal detached is soul from his body moved it across the room than his body followed rigth after. In one shot they slow time down and he moves like 30 feet while someone is bringing an axe down on his head and the axe never moves. Of course he died because Riddick was standing were he was moving to with a knife ready.

All you proved was that they were basically equal in nature. Ok so Kenshin is faster and stronger but if both of them know where the other will be its easy for either one of them to avoid it in time. Plus Kenshin can only move in a straight line when he goes that fast, it was proven by someone else earlier in this thread. So Kenshin disappears Riddick knows where he is going moves out of the way and waits. If both people in a fight know what is going to happen next neither one of them have the adavantage. Plus Kenshin read body language to tell what his opponets were going to do. If Riddick moves after Kenshin commits himself he can avoid him. I'm not saying Riddick would win I'm saying the nearly evenly matched.

Kenshin read more than body language. He read emotions. That's why he had trouble with that one kid.

And Kenshin can't move 200+ mph (although he can probably move close, because he can vanish from vision as well). He was simply able to defeat someone that was, even without being able to read them. So, even if he wasn't able to read Riddick's moves, Riddick would have to move faster than that to be able to land a blow.

Kenshin further gets an advantage in this fight because of the way he fights. He waits for an opponent to attack, and then reacts. This means that Riddick would be the one commiting himself, and then allowing Kenshin to attack.

And... there's no proof that he can only move in a straight line while going that fast. In fact, there's proof to the contrary. He charged at a pirate at one point, and then vanished and reappeared directly behind him. If he was moving in a straight line he would have had to travel through the pirate... or all the way around the planet in the opposite direction... and he wouldn't have come back into vision facing the pirate's back (which he did).

He can obviously turn while moving at high speeds.

He, further, can alter moves at high speed, as shown in his battle with the head of those spies and with what's-his-name... the bandaged guy (I'm sucking with names right now.)

He's faster, stronger, and has precognitive abilities just as strong as, if not better than, Riddick's.