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Mirai Gen 02-18-2009 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Truce (Post 898015)
So, does Synk have red text all the time because Synk made a deal with the devil?

Synk's a mod.

That's like, the initiation ritual.
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I have to admit, the whole thing with the apron-wearing partner automatically brought "heterosexual male" my mind. I am deeply ashamed.
That was what I thought at first too, but than again he did specifically say she had Profession (Baker), so that kind of got shot holes into instantly.

Damn it, he probably did that because of the apron.

Clever fucker.

DFM 02-18-2009 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerensky287 (Post 897950)
I asked Synk in a PM, and yes, there was some intentional confusion. S/he thinks it's funny to watch people act so confused about his/her gender.

I have actually since learned the truth but I'm not going to spoil it for y'all.

Synk is a sweetie that is his gender.

Aerozord 02-18-2009 08:01 PM

as a rule I assume any given forum member is male, statistically I am probably right

synkr0nized 02-18-2009 08:08 PM

I shouldn't have even posted in this thread, but blame Ryong.. :P
 
All right, I derailed this train and am pushing it back onto the tracks. 'Cause I am all muscley strong like that.

Sadly, the site is down, it seems, or at least my connection to it is. So I sidetracked myself over at TVTropes, where there apparently is a big following.

Kim 02-18-2009 09:06 PM

Probably means an update. In half an hour, it might even be possible to view the site!

Aerozord 02-22-2009 07:08 PM

there was, check it




Ok, done?




Good


Now I certainly hope they are sincere. Mostly because I hate the whole 'tricked you out of your soul' evil deal. Trapping people with clauses and loopholes would be bad for business in the long run, plus as they clearly said this is for their own purposes, no reason to double-cross him

Mirai Gen 02-22-2009 07:23 PM

While I wouldn't be surprised if there is any sort of "HOSHITS OMG" where V gets betrayed, I would also not be surprised if there wasn't a loss of his soul.

Though it is nice that while he's doing big important plot-moving event, he's still funny. "Never put the hellcart before the demon-horse." I am, however, curious why he didn't say 'Nightmare,' though its probably because he would get attacked by OOTS fans saying "NIGHTMARES WOULD NEVER BE A CART HORSE."

The Wizard Who Did It 02-22-2009 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 899549)
Now I certainly hope they are sincere. Mostly because I hate the whole 'tricked you out of your soul' evil deal.

Yeah, but beyond personal dislike of the idea, there's no reason why they wouldn't do it.

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Trapping people with clauses and loopholes would be bad for business in the long run,
If all the media on this concept is to be believed, it doesn't really seem to hurt their business at all.

In fact, it only hurts their business if anyone finds out they actually tricked people.
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plus as they clearly said this is for their own purposes, no reason to double-cross him
And the liar clearly said "I'm not lying."

Mind, they haven't been proven to be liars, but all stereotypes are working against them.

Also, they don't actually have to take his soul to win over his soul. If he becomes drunk on the power they can grant him or whatever, he can just become their willing pawn. There's multiple levels to corruption and falls that stolen souls have no place in.

Aerozord 02-22-2009 07:49 PM

V himself shows why its bad approach. If a group is known for cheating you, people will be reluctant to agree even if an equable trade is offered. Heck the catious type would just outright refuse any and all offers. But if they have heard stories of how people have made pacts and from their standpoint things turned out ok, well then people will be more likely to agree.

So I'd say there is a reason to not lie to him. But there isn't really a reason to, getting V's soul isn't a huge boon to them. However as they said, unifying the factions of darkness, and showing others the kind of power they can bestow on people is. Yes anyone in V's position will sign away their soul in an instant, but its better to have it appeal to people that just want temporary power, or are greedy, ect. Those that would make a deal but would rather not be someones slave for eternity

The Wizard Who Did It 02-22-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 899565)
V himself shows why its bad approach. If a group is known for cheating you, people will be reluctant to agree even if an equable trade is offered. Heck the catious type would just outright refuse any and all offers.

There is quite a few ways I can go into how this doesn't really apply to them actually screwing people over. In a nutshell, the idea that the devil gives you an offer and then screws you over is spread by the opposing side. So basically, actual fact has little to do with what we've heard about said deals, as it's all come from the person's competitor.
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But if they have heard stories of how people have made pacts and from their standpoint things turned out ok, well then people will be more likely to agree.
I believe there's been statistics that show that if you go to a restaurant and have a bad meal 1 out of 10 times, you probably won't go back there.

What this all has to do with my point that "tricking him wouldn't hurt their business" is that (assuming that that the spread of the "Deal with the Devil" idea has spread similarly in the OotS world as it did in the real world) their business is already hurt and they can't gain it back without a significant amount of effort over a long time. And over that long time of trying to gain back business, it would probably be more profitable to just cheat and take souls.
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So I'd say there is a reason to not lie to him. But there isn't really a reason to, getting V's soul isn't a huge boon to them.
So they say. I'm taking anything they say with a grain of salt. From what I've seen and remember, V is one of the more powerful spell casters that's been in this campaign. His soul could be worth a lot for having potential. I have no idea how quality of souls is graded, but I'm not going to believe whatever those three say on the matter.
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However as they said, unifying the factions of darkness, and showing others the kind of power they can bestow on people is.
Which is in no way related to whether or not they take his soul afterward. The higher-ups in the demon realm could probably care less.
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Yes anyone in V's position will sign away their soul in an instant, but its better to have it appeal to people that just want temporary power, or are greedy, ect. Those that would make a deal but would rather not be someones slave for eternity
Yeah, this relates directly to my first point that I briefly brushed upon. So a devil comes up to you and offers you a deal. And he goes on and on about the power he will give you for a rather small price, and he says that he has had clients before that he didn't screw over, honest! Do you believe him?



I guess I should also say that 1 hour each can be a long time depending on the universe that this is taking place in. It's entirely possible that the demons can otherwise get what they want from his soul from that "meager" 1 hour each. And it's very probable they can if V gives them 3 weeks...


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