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Jagos 02-11-2009 10:31 PM

Google taking on the world
 
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Gotta say, if they can commit to making the world more efficient, through different types of power usage as well as making the electricity grid a HELLUVA lot more efficient, it's going to make the US look like a juggernaut yet again.

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The world as envisioned by Google includes a vast computer network that monitors and controls the nation’s electricity grid and sets prices for power based on real-time supply and demand. For example, the system could, on a particularly hot afternoon, send a signal to millions of utility customers warning that power prices are soaring. The information could be fed directly into an energy-management system linked wirelessly to people’s air conditioners and appliances, and their Jacuzzis, garden lights, and electric cars. After being programmed, the system would automatically shut down designated devices if prices hit preset levels, just as program trading automatically buys and sells stocks. For those without automatic systems, it would take just a few keystrokes from a computer at the office to power down selected machines at home and avoid being walloped by the price spike.
The grid itself would work in similar ways. If it faced shortages, it could send out a signal offering to buy back power stored in people’s electric car batteries for a healthy premium above what the same electrons cost just 15 hours earlier. Those interested would click accept on their computer screens. The network would locate their vehicles and automatically activate decharging. Eventually, demand and prices would drop, triggering dishwashers and clothes dryers to switch on. Electric cars would resume charging.
Just to show what it entails.

Bells 02-11-2009 10:56 PM

I've got to say... it's not a really bad idea, but as i read this i just caught myself thinking...

"or we culd just invest more in solar and wind power and cut those costs alltogether... PLUS there are the costs (on production, research, install and eletric upkeep) that this "grid" would generate just to power itself up and keep everything wired and on stand-by on real time"

Eltargrim 02-11-2009 11:03 PM

Bellsouth, I see this as running parallel to alternative energy.

That said, I salute the eventual overlords of the world o7

Lady Cygnet 02-11-2009 11:10 PM

I don't like the idea of something being able to shut off my air conditioner during peak times, especially if I still have small children at that time. Heat prostration isn't that pretty to watch.

ETA: In fact, I don't like the idea of Google big brothering anything on a global scale. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Kerensky287 02-11-2009 11:13 PM

Wow, I thought Cyberdine was supposed to bring about the machine revolution.

I guess a search engine company could do it just as well, though.

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In all seriousness though, having computers run all that seems far too easy to screw up in my opinion. Computers are very prone to glitches and screw-ups, not to mention being very easy for someone to exploit. I'm not saying a Diehard 4 scenario where somebody runs the traffic through a laptop, but if Google essentially had control over prices of utilities - "responses to real-world supply and demand" - then they could jack up prices and take a cut for themselves.

A world working like that would be a pretty cool thing but I just can't see how it would work in practice.

Vault Of Thrones 02-11-2009 11:36 PM

If I had to choose one company to rule over the world I think I'd probably pick Google. The way they do business seems refreshing compared to the way that most other companies work; Google, in my opinion, lacks the shadiness of the others.

With regards to their current plans, I don't think that having a less centralized power grid is a bad idea. Pricing based on real-time rates also seems like a good idea and I think that the price would be mostly stable. After it got rolling people would use less at times when the price is higher; demand goes down and so should price. Same thing for when the energy is more readily available, but in reverse.

I also don't think that this would be instead of other energy sources as well. It would most likely be integrated with things like wind and solar.

Personally I can't wait until Google makes their space elevator though. That's something that will really be super neat.

01d55 02-11-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Cygnet (Post 895646)
I don't like the idea of something being able to shut off my air conditioner during peak times, especially if I still have small children at that time. Heat prostration isn't that pretty to watch.

ETA: In fact, I don't like the idea of Google big brothering anything on a global scale. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

My impression from the article is that Google's plan calls for the consumer to decide (through a configuration program) what shuts down, and what at what price point this occurs.

MasterOfMagic 02-12-2009 12:17 AM

Upgrading the power grid sounds like an awesome idea to me. Maybe most of Kentucky won't lose power the next time there's an ice storm >.>;

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I don't like the idea of something being able to shut off my air conditioner during peak times, especially if I still have small children at that time. Heat prostration isn't that pretty to watch.
I dunno, this strikes me as a bit too paranoid. The system they're talking about would have you in control of whether it went off or not. If you're willing to pay any price to have your AC on, then it'll always be on. Those of us who are more cheap about things can have it go off if its going to bite our pockets too much.

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In all seriousness though, having computers run all that seems far too easy to screw up in my opinion. Computers are very prone to glitches and screw-ups, not to mention being very easy for someone to exploit.
These are only problems if the system is designed badly. Computers do have glitches and screw ups, but that's why we have a thing called redundancy. :P There's also security methods that would make it very hard to "exploit". As long as its designed right, these shouldn't be a problem.

Magus 02-12-2009 12:17 AM

I'd rather they focused on getting electricity's price down through the use of solar and wind energy so that we wouldn't have to worry about the price at peak times because the price at peak times would still be lower than the price at non-peak times nowadays.

Or something like that.

I mean, if you're getting more electricity than ever before through solar and wind energy and it's cleaner than ever before, why do we have to conserve? Conservation is for now, not the future. In the future, you're supposed to be able to let it all hang out. Or something to that effect.

MasterOfMagic 02-12-2009 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus (Post 895678)
I'd rather they focused on getting electricity's price down through the use of solar and wind energy so that we wouldn't have to worry about the price at peak times because the price at peak times would still be lower than the price at non-peak times nowadays.

Or something like that.

I mean, if you're getting more electricity than ever before through solar and wind energy and it's cleaner than ever before, why do we have to conserve? Conservation is for now, not the future. In the future, you're supposed to be able to let it all hang out. Or something to that effect.

Well, they talked about that in the article:
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The decrepit system is a serious impediment to renewable-energy projects on a grand scale. To move wind and solar power to consumers from the breezy Great Plains and the sunbaked deserts of the Southwest, the U.S. needs about 20,000 miles of new transmission lines.
Renewable energy sources aren't producing at all times. Maybe there's no wind, maybe its a cloudy day, but sometimes you'll need to get your power from somewhere else. That's what this whole thing is about.


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