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Osterbaum 02-12-2009 05:47 PM

Charles Darwin 200
 
Charles Darwin was born 200 years ago. His theory on 'the origin of species by means of natural selection' was revolutionary and it remains to this day as one of the bases for modern biology and understanding of nature.

Congratulations Charles!

Please, extend your congrats and discuss.

EDIT: Whoops, this was meant for General Discussion. If someone could move it there it would be much apreciated.

Ryong 02-12-2009 05:59 PM

Congratulations to a man who said "No, that's weird, let's think for a bit." when people believed in things like fly larvae spontaneously "appearing" from rotten meat and such.

Also, I'd just like to comment, I mean, I know you're from Finland but so's the wikipedia link. We aren't from Finland. Mostly.

Osterbaum 02-12-2009 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryong
Also, I'd just like to comment, I mean, I know you're from Finland but so's the wikipedia link. We aren't from Finland. Mostly.

You infidels! Well fine, I'll change it.

Truth be told, I din't realize it. Man, first thread I start in ages and already I've made two mistakes.

Kepor 02-12-2009 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryong (Post 895881)
Congratulations to a man who said "No, that's weird, let's think for a bit." when people believed in things like fly larvae spontaneously "appearing" from rotten meat and such.

Francesco Redi was the main guy who dealt with spontaneous generation. Darwin's struggle was mostly against Lamarckism.

Professor Smarmiarty 02-12-2009 06:26 PM

Sigh. I totally don't understadn why Darwin gets any credit at all.
He didn't invent anything, all he did was collect existing theories together and write about them in a way that everyone could understand, thus capturing the publics imagination.
Well that and most of his works were more reminiscient of his social and political wranglings than any actual science, which will hit you pretty strongly if you read Origin of Species (mostly the earlier editions, the later editions were much tighter).
It was practically a manifesto.
Saint-Hilaire was totally the king.

Ryong 02-12-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kepor (Post 895890)
Francesco Redi was the main guy who dealt with spontaneous generation. Darwin's struggle was mostly against Lamarckism.

...Whoops. My bad.

...So then, that means he went and said "No, just because you run all the time it doesn't mean your children will be great at running." or something along the lines instead.

Kaneda 02-12-2009 06:49 PM

Don't forget Lincoln! They were birthday buddies!

Professor Smarmiarty 02-12-2009 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryong (Post 895895)
...Whoops. My bad.

...So then, that means he went and said "No, just because you run all the time it doesn't mean your children will be great at running." or something along the lines instead.

Well a few other people said it first but he collected heaps of examples (mostly of birds) and put it together in a readable form.
Importantly he was also used as a tool to carry evolution to the general public and the theory which had been around for a while suddenly exploded onto the public stage.

BitVyper 02-12-2009 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants (Post 895891)
Sigh. I totally don't understadn why Darwin gets any credit at all.
He didn't invent anything, all he did was collect existing theories together and write about them in a way that everyone could understand, thus capturing the publics imagination.
Well that and most of his works were more reminiscient of his social and political wranglings than any actual science, which will hit you pretty strongly if you read Origin of Species (mostly the earlier editions, the later editions were much tighter).
It was practically a manifesto.
Saint-Hilaire was totally the king.

He didn't invent evolution, no. However, he did do this:

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collect existing theories together and write about them in a way that everyone could understand
As well as study the details and add his own insights. Or do you think we would have the understanding of evolution we do if someone hadn't gone and made sense of the whole business and made the idea accessible to the common man? Also I'm pretty sure Lamarckian evolution was still the norm prior to The Origin of Species, so it's not like he was writing what everyone already "knew."

Basically, he didn't discover evolution in the same way that Newton didn't discover gravity (although Newton did more technical work for gravity than Darwin did for evolution).

Kepor 02-12-2009 11:16 PM

Well, Lamarckian theory was already crumbling before Darwin published, and other researchers were pursuing similar theories. In fact, Darwin was kind of surprised into publishing before he wanted to by Alfred Wallace, who wrote a paper very similar to Darwin's own theory of natural selection.

Basically, I think if Darwin hadn't done it then someone else would have, and probably within the same time period.


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