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Pip Boy 02-12-2009 06:50 PM

I have complains about my Highschool's Administration in regards to its rulemaking!
 
I've started going to a new school recently, and while most things there are alright, the school's rational process in rulemaking seems a bit off to me. Everyone in the school is required to wear uniforms, and the reason they've given for this is that they are afraid "that someone will infiltrate the school". Nevermind that the uniforms are availible in detail on the school's public website, and anyone who wanted to "infiltrate the school" (and who would want to?) would have no hard time at all getting the right things.

More recently, the school has begun confiscation all drinks that people are seen bringing into the school. If you want to have soda or even water, you cannot bring it into school with you, it must be purchased from the school. The reason behind this was that recently someone brought vodka to the school in a Sprite bottle and got drunk. They did get caught, but nevermind that. The problem I have with this is that it seems like they're punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. While I know bringing soda to school isn't the end of the world, the thinking process behind it bothers me. The school seems to have taken on a policy of "Whenever something bad happens, we'll just place more limits on the rights of the general population". Even worse, the policies they respond with never actually address the problem itself. For example, if someone wanted to bring vodka to school, all they'd need to do is fill a bottle of something that is sold at the school with it and stash it in their backpack until they were inside the school.

Point being: How should students react when a school is turning fascist?

There are pretty much only three options. Conformity, Disobedience, and Due Process. We can conform, like conforming confomists, we can just break the rule intentionally as an act of rebellion and get expelled, or we can try and talk reason on people who absolutely refuse to listen to reason since high school students are an inferior species.

EDIT: To clarify, this is in the south where "rules is rules and you're gonna listen because I told you to daggumit."

Not kidding. In the past people have actually been told they can't have certain things that are generally considered implied rights (like the right to their own property) because "when you're on school ground you are school property".

Tev 02-12-2009 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Megaman FTW (Post 895898)
"when you're on school ground you are school property".

Sounds about right. It's cool though. Once you get to college if you don't like something then you don't have to stick around. I mean, at that point it's your money to lose.

I've seen a lot of threads here bashing the rights of schools. Yes, they are dumb. Yes they oppress kids most at times in their lives when they most want to be in control of their own lives. It'll be okay. It's only like four years of your life. You'll be dealing with shitty Human Resource departments making your work life hell your entire life. Take a breath, give them the finger, and play by their rules when you are at their place. When you go home you can be all independant there.

The Wizard Who Did It 02-12-2009 07:37 PM

I have to ask if this is a public or private school.

If it's a private, they pretty much have all the rights that people have on their own private property. Which is a LOT!

If it's a public, I still have to more or less back them up. I mean, schools are put in a very rough position. They are required to have you there, and they are expected to take care of daddy's little boy/girl. This puts them in a very shitty position. It's all well and good when you're dealing with an understanding parent that realizes that the kid who smuggled drugs into school and sold them to his little kid is at fault. However, there are more than enough unreasonable parents who feel that the school should be trying their hardest to NOT allow stuff like that to ever happen.

Basically, school's have a lot of pressure to keep their kids safe (or else it reflects poorly on the school and can lead to unfortunate things) and they have little way of relieving that pressure.

It doesn't help that teenagers are full of hormones that make them do dumb things from time to time.

Marelo 02-12-2009 10:46 PM

Schools have always been fascist, as you put it. That's just their modus operandi. Now, as to whether that's a good or a bad thing... I'm gonna side with good, until things like strip searches and unnecessary seizures occur.

Eltargrim 02-12-2009 10:53 PM

Example 1 and Example 2, both on the front page.

Marelo 02-12-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Eltargrim (Post 895969)
Example 1 and Example 2, both on the front page.

Those two incidents are what I was referring to :P

synkr0nized 02-12-2009 11:06 PM

I contemplated adding "bro," but I meant it.
 
High school was amazing. Sorry you're not having fun.

TheSparrow 02-12-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tev (Post 895901)
You'll be dealing with shitty Human Resource departments making your work life hell your entire life..

Thats....Thats pretty much it right there. High school is the easiest part of your life. Trust me.

Regulus Tera 02-12-2009 11:49 PM

As someone who wore a uniform for ten years of primary to preparatory school, I don't find it outrageous that you are suddenly required to wear one. The reasoning for it is really weird, but a uniform is less about prohibiting "infiltration" and more about cementing some sense of discipline and responsibility in the alumni. It really isn't that bad, and most uniforms are actually quite "classy" if you think about it.

As for the stuff with the sodas, yeah, that is pretty fascist.

bluestarultor 02-13-2009 12:11 AM

I went to schools that both did and didn't require uniforms. Uniforms aren't necessarily a bad thing. They sure as hell helped hide the fact that at the time I was going to the one that required them, my family was living paycheck to paycheck and with monetary help from my grandparents.

On the other hand, schools very well CAN go batshit crazy over stuff. Most of the reason I had to end my 8-bit-style comic prematurely is because I couldn't find the gym I'd been using for a backdrop again. It was a high school gym, but I went back to their site and the thing had been made totally devoid of any and all photos of the school, its rooms, or its students. I could understand the students. I mean, there was that one a bit back that stuck smiley faces over all its students' heads to avoid someone photoshopping them onto child porn for some neurotic reason. But to actually remove all instances of what the school even looked like was overboard. I have no idea why they did.

Honestly, it sounds like your school is a bit to the edge of the deep end in terms of its reasoning. On the other hand, what they're actually doing isn't so bad, so maybe just nod and smile and humor them? Unless they pull something really over-the-top, it really does no good to fight it.

Plus, there are likely other reasons they want students to buy the stuff they provide. School snacks and sodas are ridiculously overpriced so the school can get a cut of it.


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