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Professor Smarmiarty 05-21-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 929497)
let me check to make sure I understand the situation. If O-Chul does destroy the phylactery, that has no effect beyond making Xykon vulnerable to perma-death

That is correct. If you kill a lich and he has no phlactery he dies permanently.
If you kill a lich then destroy his phylactery within some amount of time ( I think it few days) when he reforms his body lich is also dead forever.
If you just destroy his phylactery he is still alive and can make a new one but it takes some time and also some XP.
So they will still need to kill him.

Aerozord 05-21-2009 01:29 PM

wait, then doesn't that make V an idiot? Even if Xykon was killed he'd just come back

Professor Smarmiarty 05-21-2009 01:44 PM

Well V was probably assuming she could find Zykon's phlactery soon after he died with her magical powers. There are plenty of spells one can use depending on how well the phlactery is magically hidden.
For a wizard of V's former power finding and destroying a phlactery before a lich can regenerate should be pretty trivial.

Zanaril 05-21-2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 01d55 (Post 929486)
O-Chul is also completely unarmored, using an improvised weapon, and doesn't have the fort save to reliably resist paralysing touch, which is an innate Lich ability - if a Lich touches you, you take cold damage and roll a fort save.

Does this mean it's likely V is currently paralized?

Truce 05-21-2009 03:47 PM

You know, this would be a good time for the resistance groups to make an appearance.

Though, that would probably be too convenient.

Mirai Gen 05-21-2009 04:42 PM

I'm going to back 01d by saying that in 3.5, at higher levels, equipment is absolutely everything.

He just got the surprise against Redcloak with a Smite Evil and - most likely! - a critical hit.

Professor Smarmiarty 05-21-2009 05:19 PM

Maybe he is secretely a monk with a vow of poverty.... What a twist!

BitVyper 05-21-2009 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 929578)
I'm going to back 01d by saying that in 3.5, at higher levels, equipment is absolutely everything.

Oh hell yes. And that's not even counting what you can do with cheese. Keen kaorti resin great scimitar = 15+ crit for 4x damage. Give that to a high level fighter, and watch almost everything without massive damage reduction die inside a round.

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Maybe he is secretely a monk
That wouldn't actually be TOO much of a surprise, given the eastern theme, and that, if I recall correctly, Miko seemed to have a monk level or two.

Mirai Gen 05-21-2009 06:13 PM

Miko was also one of the most powerful paladins in the order, most likely due to that monk level set.
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Oh hell yes. And that's not even counting what you can do with cheese. Keen kaorti resin great scimitar = 15+ crit for 4x damage. Give that to a high level fighter, and watch almost everything without massive damage reduction die inside a round.
Which is exactly why a properly-equipped paladin is far different from a bruised and battered prisoner with a broken length of metal.

BitVyper 05-21-2009 06:22 PM

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Miko was also one of the most powerful paladins in the order, most likely due to that monk level set.
Well, given that Miko was pretty much brought up in the order, it seems likely that their soldiers at least have monk training as an option. I would bet on at least a portion of their full blown paladins having started with monk levels before the twelve gods chose them.

Also: And O Chul isn't up there with her?


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