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Mirai Gen 05-30-2009 04:25 AM

I did see the link, 01d, but it says "Current hit dice," and I did ask because I didn't remember if "Current" translated into "Reroll hit points," since in 3.5/3e that didn't happen hardly ever. But, you know...
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Oh, if only there was a clearly labelled link to pertinent information recently posted in this thread. But alas, you are powerless to edify yourself,
...thanks, that was really nice of you.

01d55 05-30-2009 04:57 AM

I'm a helper!

Professor Smarmiarty 05-30-2009 05:59 AM

Yeah all hitdice are current to D12 when he becomes a lich.
Loses his constitution bonus though.

You can't smite evil an object mostly because objects don't have alignments except in extremely rare cases, even when they change the alignment of the wearer. A DM could potentially allow it though.
If he could smite evil and destroy Xykon then he'd have days to bust up the phlactery.

Krylo 05-30-2009 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 933205)
But that's just it - this isn't the same trick. She was just about to then went, wait, damn it, I'd feel horrible if O-Chuul dies because of me. I need to stop this.

I figured it was more "Shit, the door's closed and as soon as I open this Xykon will know exactly where I am, but if I revive the Paladin, it'll probably distract him long enough to make good my escape."

Odjn 05-30-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Krylo (Post 933243)
I figured it was more "Shit, the door's closed and as soon as I open this Xykon will know exactly where I am, but if I revive the Paladin, it'll probably distract him long enough to make good my escape."

No, that's not it at all. He was climbing down a ledge, then realized he couldn't leave O-Chul to die, like he did before with the Azure soldiers (also when he was invincible.)

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 933222)
That may be true but he's already been in a long fight, and it isn't like Burlew adheres strictly to DND rules every episode anyway. After all Soon as an incorporeal spirit was Smiting Evil on him round after round and managed to whack him and Redcloak simultaneously before getting interrupted by Miko.
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Soon was an Epic level paladin outsider. Paladins at epic usually have ridiculous amounts of Cha, and a lot of outsiders get higher natural cha than humans. In addition to that, he had a host of fallen paladins assisting him, all of whom presumably had smite attacks. There had to be some decent leveled ones in there.

Honestly Soon versus Redcloak and Xykon is not too farfetched, paladins have great saving throws and Soon probably has some neat epic feats. And Xykon was undoubtedly a few levels lower. And Burlew does script his fights, he did the first or second on the forums to prove he was not making Miko win for plot reasons.

Jagos 05-30-2009 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Krylo (Post 933243)
I figured it was more "Shit, the door's closed and as soon as I open this Xykon will know exactly where I am, but if I revive the Paladin, it'll probably distract him long enough to make good my escape."

I'm not exactly buying it. O-Chul did a lot of things with nothing compared to V who threw a bunch of spells and ran yet again when things were severely F'd for him. He did a noble act of saving O-Chul but I don't think he was trying to necessarily save himself. More or less, his pride has been damaged and that's the worst thing to happen to him.

Mirai Gen 05-30-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Krylo (Post 933243)
I figured it was more "Shit, the door's closed and as soon as I open this Xykon will know exactly where I am, but if I revive the Paladin, it'll probably distract him long enough to make good my escape."

I'd advise you to pay attention to the expressions.

http://pics.livejournal.com/miraigen/pic/000qpx0c

That really doesn't look like she's going "Mwah, I have a plan!"

There's also the fact that the door got abandoned a loooooong time ago, anyway.

BitVyper 05-30-2009 12:19 PM

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All his HD have been D12 since the minute he stopped breathing.
I's not as good as it sounds though, because you lose any con modifiers, although wizards don't generally have much of that anyway, but being undead, you can never have them.

Mirai Gen 05-30-2009 12:24 PM

That's a good point, I never thought about that. D12s aren't very rockin because usually the classes that get them (Barbarian, Knight) usually have Con to go with it. That means he's getting average of about 6 HP as opposed to like, average 3 (with a +1 con). That's substantial but Soon's still pretty strong and the fight's been going for a while.

Also, going back,
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Soon was an Epic level paladin outsider.
Was he? I don't remember him being clear about being post level 20.

BitVyper 05-30-2009 12:54 PM

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Was he? I don't remember him being clear about being post level 20.
Well, most of his group seemed pretty epic, so I'd probably give him the benefit of the doubt there.


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