Hell, Jedi reflexes can't escape a USAS-12 barrage. Luckily, my guy carries a USAS-12, as well as a flamethrower. Can he can shot them both at onces, not accurately, but does that really matter with those two weapons?

Jedi speed plus Jedir eflexes might, though.

Flamethrowers track slowly, though you can forget about blocking them with a melee weapon. The USAS is nasty too, but recoil is a bitch.

Blocking a steam of fire with a melee weapon?

Aim the USAS low at first, so the recoil will put you back up for most of the shots.

As I said, hardly likely.

Speaking of shotguns vs. swords, I watched Kill Bill Vol. 2 yesterday, and I found it quite hilarious when The Bride charged into the trailer with Budd inside, and then she was promptly blown back out by two barrels of buckshot to the chest.

Recoil doesn't just send the gun upwards. It also can and will move the gun side to side. Aiming down and using a loose arm would make you miss more often.

But this is all a moot point, because any gun that isn't mounted looses accuracy past the first 5 shots.

I really need to see Vol. 2...

Fine, then the flame thrower will be set on the ground and stepped on with one foot, then the shoe of the other foot will come off and be used to pull the trigger, sending the flames forward, while the USAS is being held by both hands to fire accuratly.

You do that.

No, wait, better idea.

Throw the tank of gas at you, then throw a grenade at it and run.

You'd want a better incendiary device. Gernades, while they generate a lot of heat, run the risk of blowing out small fires due to the force of their detonation.

What fires? I just want a double explosion. Though, Dezil would never give up his tank full of gas, so it doesn't matter.

Might as well use the US Army M66A FLASH 4-shot incendiary rocket launcher, or the Spetznaz RPO-A FAE rocket launcher. Quick, effective, and the latter has a 100m-wide kill radius.

Or a match.

Dante, do you think you could update that weapon to something not real? Calicos kickass, but the odds of on surviving three thousand years and a planet-wide nuclear bombardment are slim to nil. And while the roller blades are sort...stupid, IMO....I'll let them go.

Fair enough. And I'll drop the roller blades.

I'd like to point out that no sane person would charge with a sword at anbody with a shotgun. And also...Budd died. So that makes the shotgun sword debate moot (again.)

I doubt you could even consider that part of the debate. Budd died because of treachery on Elle Driver's part, not because he got sworded by The Bride. Of course, the only time a sane person would attack a shotgun wielder with a sword is when said shotgun wielder were unable to fire.

Ok, I'll give you that point.

and you're good to go, Dante

Crap. Am I still playing or have been promptly forgotten? I think remember posting somewhere in here.....if not, whatever.

I already brought this up in the thread, now I'm bringing it up here. You GM my NPCs one more time, and this thread ENDS. Got it? I don't care if their "only NPCs," GMing is GMing. So let's play nice, got it?



EDIT: Well, that was short lived for most of you. Let this be a lesson: don't piss off the DM, and don't try to play hero against insane bombers. ;)

Anyone wanna try again? Thread's still live as long as at last one PC is still breathing. :)

another forum that doesn't bump via edit. well, in that case, i apologize for the double posting, but the information i needed to convey is in the edit in the post just before this one. :(

Last I checked... you killed everyone. At least, that's what you told me... Now I could resurrect this to make it playable again, but I'm so sure. You seem intent on stopping this.

Negative. I want this thread to succeed. However, I'm not going to go out of my way to make it incredibly easy for you guys. If you shoot someone wearing bombs, he's going to detonate them. It's just that simple. You can all resign up, and learn from your mistakes, or you can let the thread die in a fit of immature outrage. The choice is ours, and I won't think any less of you no matter what option is chosen.

OOC: Just hitting some one in the shoulder at arm once doesn't render the arm useless, it just means they have a hole in their arm. And, people have 2 arms, not one. Or you know, maybe he dropped, so the bullets would miss their marks.

Also, having a character that hits every time he shots if usually called god modding.

Before I launch into my long-winded explination...a message to IHMN: Shut up. Briggs is not Agent Fucking Smith. If I shoot at him, and my caharacter has unparalleled accuracy, I am going to hit him, whether anyone likes it or not. That isn't controlling an NPC, that's common fucking sense. Now then...onto a lighter note

observe the following:

This happened simultaneously when Drake said to stop controlling the NPCs. And again, that's just common sense, not controlling.

Now then...as to me being at the back of the train:

that was MC's post. I followed up with:

Wolf had barely noticed the third man escape from the car. He tried to track him, but the man was out of his field of view by then.

see? I was at the back of the train. Advice: If you're going to be an icy and overdomineering GM/DM, then at least read the posts.

Also, Jade's character had a gun trained on Brigg's head. If he made a move for the detonator, he would've been capped but good. (DUH!)

Oh...and IHMN...shut up.

IHMN: *sniffle* definitely my favorite player now. :p :D

Wolf: Enough. The train exploded, you are dead, either learn from your mistakes and try again, or leave. I don't really care which at this point, I'm sick of your attitude.

That's it, I've had enough.

What the hell? Who's kidding whom? You're calling us immature? Look at what you did. You blew us all up regardless of the fact that your bomber had a gun trained on his head, the fact that he only destroyed (impossibly because he would have been shot first) the front half of the train while I was at the back, and the fact that you're just being a petulant child. You failed to read our posts, and just because you felt like it, you attempted to terminate all of us in a blaze of gory (no that's not a typo). When I tried to explain this reasonably, citing evidence, you told me I was dead anyway, and that I should just quit arguing. That's like saying "Bang, you're dead" when you don't have a gun. That, is the most immature thing I have ever witnessed EVER! I'm trying to reasonably defend why I (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't be dead, and you tell me to shut up. Well...winner of the Bill O'Reliey award...you are the one who should shut up. Now then...just think about that for a second. You offended an entire legion of veteran RPers because you just HAD to have your way with things. You may be sick of my attitude, but at least 3 other people are sick of yours.

I am not unreasonable. You were told multiple times to cease and desist, and you ignored me. I am a DM: It is my job to uphold the rules I lay down, and the rules of this forum--in so far as they apply to my threads, at least. When broken, I mete out punishment. Simple cause and effect. You are acting like the child who wrote on the walls after being told not to, and is then crying when you got a spanking for it. Grow up.

As John Paul Jones once said..."I have not yet begun to fight!"

No matter what slanderous terms you utilize against me, the facts remain as follows.

1)Only the front 8 cars of the train were destroyed (you said so yourself)
2)I was on the third to last car with MC
3)MC and I aren't dead, because those cars are still intact.
4)Taking 5 fucking hours to find out if my bullets hit is stupid (to me).
5) 1,2 and 3 are moot since Batgirl would have shot him because she had the gun aimed at his head and if he so much as twitched...BLAM! (But of course, what shit did you give?)

In reference to number 4. Playing D&D style is okay if you're in the same room as the players, so you can instantly check hit and miss. Here, we all have personal schedules to adhere to. We can't afford to wait up to a day to find out if you're going to let us wound your crazy-ass bomber. Since I'm at almost point blank, and my chatacter has great accuracy (not god-modding, IHMN), of course they're going to hit. It's common sense. Unless you do something childish like make him act like an Agent and dodge those. That's your problem. You are unwilling to admit that Brigg's could not have set off that bomb because he was wounded and had a sharpshooter leveling a gun at his skull. Instead you try to say we're at fault for controlling your NPCs. Well...OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO TAKE HITS! POINT-FUCKING BLANK! Geez. I admit we may have crossed some lines, but what you did is the most egregious case of DM abuse, seeing as how you controlled our very characters.

1) you transposed me and MC back into the first 8 cars so we could die
2) You negated all of Batgirl's skills so that Brigg's could detonate the bomb and kill us all.
3) You didn't read our posts, and just did your own fucking thing.

Hell, why didn't you just crush IHMN with a flying piece of debris that hits the train he's on? I mean, you suspeneded all other laws of physics and reasoning.

The DM/player relationship is understanding. You failed to see that. Apparently, by your rules, we can only interact with an NPC if it's going to play out the way you want to. That's not how RPing works. Now who's writing on the walls?

GMs are usually allowed to control characters if it's needed (Usually either a plot device, story needs to advance, or character should die).

This goes beyond that. He had no right to change our locations, negate skills, be an ass, etc. I'm beginning to think if we had all fired point blank at Brigg's head, he would've dodged it and blown us all up anyway. You can't refute facts that are written down just because things aren't going your way. Drake is no better than Skynet or Miang. Both tried to wipe out humanity in an effort to achieve a more favorable result to them, and that's just what Drake did here today. Some of you may like being led around like obiedient lapdogs, but some of us prefer to be a little more open-minded. Whatever your case, I don't care; but that still doesn't change that what transpired was absoultely immature and wrong.

In any case, just PM me when Buccha needs to makle an entrance.

So to prove your point, you're comparing me to ficticious sci-fi entities? Oookay, sure, why not. Who's next, Hitler? "He's a Nazi Bastard because he tried to kill us all!" But I didn't try to kill you all. IHMN is still alive, after all. If I were going out of my way to kill you all, I'd have made his train and your train be on the same tracks, so that your explosion wiped him out too. Even if you weren't caught in the initial blast, a force of that magnitude would have ripped the rear cars right up off the tracks and flung them at least 100 feet away, probably farther. Meanwhile, you and MC are being thrown around like ragdolls with all this kinetic energy being hurled around you. The odds of you surviving are slim to nil. In fact, I'm going to make a DM decision and say that you didn't survive, simply because I know of no human being who could survive such an ordeal. Look on the bright side: there were 30 gallons of Chem A on that train, so your deaths are worth trillians of dollars.

If you're so pissed off about it, just leave. You had plenty of ways to deal with the situation, and you chose the stupidest option given: shoot him in the ARM and threaten him. Shooting someone in the arm doesn't render it useless, nor does it force him to drop the detonator he was holding. You fucked up, you got stupid, and you got dead. Learn from your mistakes and move on, or go away. I vote for the latter.

Wow, Hitler's a ficticious sci-fi character? Damn Holocaust classes told me he was real...I'm not gonna rip on you with "you're so stupid" or "you're an ass" Drake, but I am going to point out a couple of things.
1- Although he was shot in the arm by Wolf, if you would have read his post he stated that by being shot in the arm Briggs was unable to press the detonator.
Now, while this could be considered character control, we're on a train. Trains aren't very large across, especially since this one is full of Chem A, people, carcasses of dead guards, and apparently boxes and stuff. It would be kinda hard to dodge bullets from that close range. Also, yuor posts are almost a day apart, so people weren't going to wait for you to post. If in fact you didn't like wat happened, you could have told us to edit our posts instead of blowing us up.
2- You ignored two important things. The first was that SS had fired a stream of bullets at Brigg's back (post #23). Instead of telling him to edit his post, you chose to ignore it and act like it never happened. The second is that I did in fact have my gun leveled at Brigg's head point-blank. My character bio clearly stated that Raina was probably the best shot out of all of the players, so I definitely wouldn't have missed had he reached for the detonator. But, you chose to ingore that as well.

I'm a GM myself, and I don't like it when my NPC's are controlled either, but ignoring posts like that isn't right. You should have at least pmed people explaining the situation if it was that big a deal. But you didn't, you blew us all up thus ending your rp, and rp which I thought would have turned out well. If you feel that you feel that you needed to end the rp just for some small problems, that's up to you, but forgive me if I don't stick around if you decide to ressurect this.

whew...i can finally stop typing because the support arrived. And I'm pretty sure Hitler was real...unless the Second World War (and for that matter, everything else up to today) didn't happen...ow...headache.

Anyways. Time for my resonable bit. What if I had tried to take the detonator away from him? Well...you'd probably get mad at me because I was controlling the NPC again...see how limited you made the interaction? If you want to somehow keep this thing alive, go ahead...but don't expect me to be hanging around...denier of history.

People have two arms...


He didn't ignore SS. Biggs had body armor (Probably a supped up form of Kevlar). And you all yelled at him for not reading the post.

Also, while batgirl's character had a gun pointed to his head, SS's character was pointing his gaint full auto gun at him as well. So Biggs move, they both shoot. The chances of SS's guy hitting one of the explosvives on Biggs would be very high.

Ah...but Kevlar in any form is not invincible. It's just a deterrent. However many bullets SS fired at Briggs, he definetly would have managed to break through that armor with a couple. Remember, DD himself said no armor more powerful than light titainium or Kevlar. Somehow, he godmodded his own NPC.

I'm not even going to question how many pounds of C4 or whatever Brigg's was carrying that would have allowed him to take out 8 train cars in a hellish blast, perfectly leaving the other 8. (What was it, a warp bomb? Antimatter mine?)

Kevlar covered with light titainuim. Or, just a couple bullets to the back wouldn't kill some one. People survive bullet shots in the head.

Since when where the other 8 unaffected? All he said where 8 cars were blown up, meaning they were in the explosion.

---------------------- (Bomb here) ----------------------------------- (Explosion ends here)
blown up -- blown --- blown -- blown ---- blown --- blown --- blown -- blown
|||||||| -- ||||||| -- ||||||| -- |||||||| -- |||||||| -- ||||||| -- |||||| -- ||||||

the next 8 are thrown off the track.

You know, I'd have given up on this a lot earlier if it wasn't for the fact I was matching wits with a guy who believed the Holocaust didn't happen, and his trouble seeking lapdog. DD never said the last 8 got thrown off the track. But since IHMN has obviously studied the Spain incident way too much for any normal person (i.e. not a terrorist or CSI), I guess that the cars were arbitraily thrown. And even so, <sarcasm>I'm sure that would kill everybody. Maybe the compression wave of the insane amount of bombs, getting thrown off the train</sarcasm>...or the fact that Briggs would have been shot in the head before he pushed the button making this a moot point.

And also, SS ripped into Briggs at full-auto. That makes 30 bullets into his back. I think that's grounds for death, wouldn't you say? Looks like you don't read posts either, IHMN.

30 bullets were shot, how many got through the body armor? For one, he said nothing beyond kevlar or light titanium for the PCs. The NPC bad guys often have more then the PCs do, so he could have had kevlar wrapped in titanium with another layer of kevlar over that. I read the post, then I read the next couple of post and put it together.

Oh, and being in a thrown thrown off the tracks with 8 destroyed cars infront of it, you are as good as dead.

So then...you are now trying to cover your new friend's incompetence. And also, being thrown sideways off that train wouldn't kill me. BECAUSE TRAINS DON'T FLY! Honestly...did you try to mathematically figure out how high those trains would go in a blast? Obviously not. No, instead you probably watched "10.5" (crap ass miniseries) and drew conclusions from that. Now...you can either admit the two of you are wrong, or I can keep this up until hell freezes over or the sun becomes a tiny speck the size of your brain...never mind the fact that Earth would have been destroyed first...or the mods mercy kill this thread. Oh...and why would the NPC's have more armor? And don't say it's because you say so, beacuse we all know that is not the answer.

I'm not trying to cover anyones incompetence, I'm just arguing because I have nothing else to do.

1) The first several trains are blown up. (Everything after this is talking about the second eight trains) The first three trains would run into the destroyed trains, which would cause the first of them to stop and possibly have the tip bend down. The second train would lift into the air, and the third would have it's nose lifted into the air. This would cause the third train to fall to the side, causing the back five to fall to their sides. Now, I don't know how fast trains go, but I can assume it's over 1000 MPH, and the trains just came to a sudden slow down and soon stop. However, everything inside of the train that is not attached to the train (People, boxes, other non bolted down things) would be thrown to the front of the car they are in at 100 MPH, then smash into each other. It's survivable, but not likely.

Damn, after writing that I forgot to take into account of the back couple trains of the first 8 being thrown back due to the blast... That would just make things worse.


2) Well, Biggs was probably the leader of these bandits (He acted like it), and they went to attack a large car of Chemical A (The most valueable thing in this world), so it is most likely heavily guarded. So, Biggs makes sure he has lots of armor for when people start shooting at him.

HA! You're theory falls flat because like all pointless arguementers, you made a fatal mistake! Wolf had stopped the train, rendering your Newtonian-inspired chaotic train-wreck theory pointless. A train at a dead stop would not cause such a massive debacle that you theorized. Also, post-apocalyptic bullet train?...no. With this universe, I bet we could only get about 100 Mph, but that doesn't matter since the train was at a dead-stop.

Also, Briggs is not Iron Man. In fact, I'm wondering if he could actually move, if you factor in all the armor you claim he has, followed by the pounds upon pounds of explosives he was theoretically carrying.

When did he stop the train? If it was his first post, then I blame everyone else for saying "No, that means he was stopping his car, not the train". If not, then I missed that post since I haven't been reading the RP since I wasn't in it yet. If it was after I pointed out your first post, then you responded saying it was the train, then meh, I forgot.

Also, there are hover bikes, why is a bullet train so hard to imagine?

Biggs didn't move very much actually. He came out, shot a guy, then blew up stuff. And I'm not sure about the weight of kevlar, but I think it's about 30-50ish, then wrapped in titanium would add 20-30ish pounds, which is heavy, but movable (Second layer of kevlar was a joke)..

I'm going to avoid this entirely by saying,

GM's choice. He controls the game. He has the authority to end it if he wishes. Granted he ignored some stuff, but that's okay.

Now, to counter points IHMN has made...

1) Axis was trained to not waste more bullets than neccesary. Translation? He shoots for the head if he has a moment to aim. Translation number 2? Standoff. Definetly aimed.

and

2) He let rip on full auto, on a gun he customized to be able to kill anything. Also, remember, he didn't aim. My intent in the post was to say that he sprayed bullets all over the back of Briggs, hitting him in the head, legs, back, arms, etc. That wasn't counted, so I assumed, "Okay, new player. Little post mistake, that's mostly on my part. I can hang with that."

3) Given who Wolf made his character out to be, I doubt he used common bullets. Probably shrapnel or death talons, both of which are illegal to be owned by a private citizen. While we should've specified, that would just overcomplicate things. Wolf shoots to kill. Both of those bullets are made to either seriously hamper, or kill. It would go without saying.

Shrapnel are like miny shotguns. Upon contact with anything solid, they rip apart into dozens of razor fragments. These would've ripped apart muscles and tendons.

Death Talons, are hooked at the front, so they spin. When they contact, they basically spin and cut apart anything in their way before momentum dies.

And given what Axis unloaded into his back, those were meant to be .7's. Those are ILLEGAL even to the military. The caliber is so large it tends to blow big holes. And this was described as inhumane. So, about thirty of those all over his back...I'd say that the majority of us would be dead. There's very little body armour that can stop that. And I think I mentioned in my sign-up that Axis uses primarily armor piercing rounds, so....



I think that's about it. More or less....yah.

On page two (post #16), Wolf pulled the train's emergency brake...STOPPING THE TRAIN! Like I said...you really might want to read posts before spouting off stuff. Also, like Batgirl said earlier, trains are narrow, so Briggs would have the worst possible time trying to move about with all that armor and bombs. He probably would have tripped, fallen, and set them off by contact pressure.

And i'll admit, hover bikes may have been a little apocraphyl, but the train wasn't a bullet. Otherwise the Trans-Am couldn't have kept up with it.

EDIT: SS, You're right on all points (more or less). I understand that the GM does have choice, I'm saying he made the wrong one.

Ah, the problems with guns in RPs...

Says the guy who made a big stink over the Katana. Now...like I said...the train was stopped. Explain things now.

Just looking back, I got to say...

EIGHTY POUNDS? And still MOVABLE!? (Ooh, I think you meant flak au lieu of kevlar. Kevlar is just the material, and it tends to be easy to break through at a high enough caliber.)

That's half or more of a normal person's body weight. With that weighing down and everything, it would be damn near impossible to move at all! Factor in the bombs, that's like another 100 pounds on you!

I said the katana would be worthless, you're the one who made a big deal out of it.

And the explosion could have sent some of the cars back in a wave-like motion, causing them to derail and fall to the side. Then something lands on you and you die, or the sudden bump and fall causes you to accidently shot off a gun of yours into yourself.

Oh, as for SS's things.

1) A full auto gun that apparently is extremely powerful, it's hard to be accurate with those.

2) You said back, so everyone assumed back. If you had said back side, then it would be different.

3) Two arms. Humans have two arms.


Edit - Well, this is the year 5000ish, there could be a better form of body arm, light weight yet durable. Of course, you will say "No there isn't" for whatever reason, then Drake might come back and say "Yes there was". I'm saying it's a possiblity, and since it is Drake's call... Or Kevlar could be lighter, I'm not sure. I guessed.

Yeah, but you try discreetly reaching across 100+ pounds of armor and bombs to hit that detonator. The fact is that Briggs was a dead man if he moved for it. And also IHMN...the two arms thing? If I recall you said you're character was a bad-ass because he could charge into a room with "twin tommy guns and a flamethrower firing". Looks like your guy has an extra arm. oops. And your wave theory holds no water, especially the accidental discharge. Debris is random, and I doubt that it could precisely land on me and MC killing us both. I already adressed that point when I said how you could be killed by a random piece of debris hitting the train you were on.

I swear, it's like a chance to argue with IHMN just creates this bottomless vortex that just sucks me in!


1) He's trained to hold it. And believe it or not, if you pull the trigger quickly, it is possible to just use one bullet. Also, it would be shoulder braced, he would be in a good shooting position. As much as recoil is a factor, it is fully possible to deaden its effects. Oooh, and just to point something out (As you obviously have NEVER had to deal with guns much) just because a gun is really powerful doesn't mean that aiming is hard. Simply, you aim, and brace, and when you fire you CAN have it hit the target. The only thing that makes it really hard to use is the weight, and the drive back (Like recoil, except when braced). It tends to hurt after a while.

2) I concede that one.

3) Unless he was clutching the detonator in both hands initially....then the moment he reached for it Batgirl would've splattered his brains all over the ceiling.

Well, actually, he already had his hand at the trigger, then you shot him. Unless his entire arm went completely limp, he could have just nudged a finger or his arm to hit the trigger.


And my guy doesn't even have a tommy gun. He has two shotguns and a flame thrower. One arm for the flame thrower, another for the shotgun (Only if it's the 8 gauge, no way he can hold the USAS steady with one arm).

And yes, debris is random. Chances of it hitting you are as good as the chacnes of it missing you. And it doesn't need to land on and kill you instantly, just pin you down so you can't move and will die eventually.

Edit - Oh, and SS, you said your guy was backing up, so he wouldn't be bracing as much (Though still bracing).

Wow...you're really grasping at straws here, IHMN

Originally you were going to have tommy guns. Read the posts from the ill-fated swords vs. guns debate in this thread to see your slip up.

And Briggs did not have the detonator. He reached for it, but he got shot before he could use it. And again...Batgirl would have splattered his brains across the car's interior if he tried with either of his arms.

(SS, you're right again...it is like a vortex)

I was never going to have tommy guns. I don't even remember mentioning tommy guns, but if I did it would have just been to say that a guy with two tommy guns clearing out a room is cooler then some pansy little guy with a sword. That doesn't mean I was going to use a tommy gun (Because flame throwers and shotguns are cooler).

So, your guy reacted instantly when his arm started moving? He would have gotten atleast half way before Wolf fired, then just move the arm and when he gets shot by Batgirl, his arm is still moving, so it could hit the denonator. Or, his dead body falls over onto the detonator.

Touche, I did say that indeed. I concede that point as well.

Flame throwers typically take two arms. And they aren't exactly the best things for quick kills.

Also...um...tendons and nerve channels and stuff. Given what I'm assuming the Omni-Falcons can do, they would've blown the artery clean open, so he would have no blood in his hand. So, the entire arm would either be completely limp, or moving it would put him in mind numbing pain.

And I know you made a third point. I'll edit my reply in soon.

EDIT- Human reaction times...if its something unexpected, they typically take half a second to acknowledge, then half a second to react. If its expected, it gets cut down to anywhere from between a quarter of a second to half a second to react.

And in your argument of coolness, we would probably have faster reaction times.

Bullets tore up the forearm and shoulder. Arm is useless. Also, he couldn't have fallen on the detonator. If anything, his fat ass would have gotten wedged in the aisle between seats.

Like I said...grasping at straws

And insulting one weapon out of my array of others is not even a good insult. Especially since I used the katana only once, and to great effect. So I am unfazed by you futile attempts to re-irk that issue.

Wolf -

Two shots don't have that great of a chance of completely destroying the muscles and tendons in the arm (Even if they are those fancy bullets). It would be painful to do so, but he could keep moving his arm (He is going to blow himself up, I don't think pain is that much of a deal to him).

I'm not trying to re-irk the issue. I didn't even bring it up, you did.

SS -

Future flamethrower. And my guy is a big guy.

Everything else, that's just clearing up other stuff that was said, so yeah...

I never said I fired two shots. I said "opened fire", and the "bullets hit". I higly doubt that my chatacter wouldn't have emptied the entire clip into a madman with a bomb. So there. And you did re-bring up the issue when you said guns in RPs were a problem.

Hm, wonder where I got the two shots from.

Of course, you all were blown up anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

And how is this,
,
bringing up your guy's katana and it being useless against guns?

Both points are rendered moot by the fact you don't give a damn about the outcome, you're just grasping at straws. But, since I owe you an explination...it's because you bitch about EVERY single thing I (or almost anyone else for that matter) try to bring into an RP. All you are is a petty punk-ass moron who seems to have a problem with me (and everyone else, but especially me). All you're trying to do is be an irritating schmuck as usual. Now would be a good time to run.

How many RPs have you even been in that I was in, two? And really, how is my saying "A katana will be worthless against people with guns" gripping at EVERY single thing you do? I didn't even say get rid of it, I was just pointing out that swords are almost always worthless when fighting a guy with a gun.

And I already told you why I am argueing, I'm bored. If you're getting irritated, that is your fault, not mine. It's the internet, loosen up.

Now, why should I run? What you are going to do, beat me up?

Nothing so civil. The point I'm making is you're just out looking to cause problems. All you're doing here is just trying to get a rise out of people for your own enjoyment. I'm telling you to run because you cannot win this arguement. Everything you've said has been disproved consistently. You're just grasping at any chance you can get to put your own skewed logic on things, without giving a damn for the irrefutable facts.

As to the griping on everything. You bitched about me in Kill-Team, you bitched about me in Hunters of the Damned on Webcomic. You bitched about me here. That establishes a pattern. So naturally I'm going to assume you have a specific problem with me. Also, you must be very bored seeing as how you argue in every thread you've been in.

So? I find people getting mad funny. Maybe if you didn't get mad, I would stop?

And I'm not trying to win any arguement. If I did win, yay for me. If I lost, oh well, no big deal, the RP is dead anyway.

Lastly, I did give some semi-facts (Logical assumtions based off previous things I have seen).


Also,
Kill-Team, I have no idea what that is.

Hunters of the Damned, yeah, I was being a little bitch in that.

Just because you are a little pansy doesn't mean I am targeting you or something.

Edit - And this arguement was just because I was bored (It's a pointless arguement after all). If I bitch about something else in other thread, there is usually a problem.

You think I'm angered in any way by this. I laugh at your delusional and uptight thinking. As for Kill-Team, you didn't even join, you just jumped into the sign-up thread to attack me. If anyone's being a pansy, it's you.

1) I wouldn't jump into a thread and bitch about something going on in it if I wasn't planning on joining, unless it was a completely screwed up thing (Like if you had your guy shooting rockets out of a rapid fire pistol when it's a fantasy RP).

You might want to actually point out what I did instead of just saying "You bitched at me in said thread".

2) Uptight? Where did you get uptight?

3) How am I being a pansy?

Eh, where to start. You just cause problems for your own enjoyment. That is a sad path to walk. And calling me a pansy is just plain outright stupid. Seeing as how I'm trying to use reason, while you refute the facts, definetly make you the pansy here.

1) I don't cause problems for my own enjoyment. This one time I decided to argue for Drake because I was bored. I rarely just bitch about something for the hell of it. If I'm bitching, then there is probably a problem somewhere.

2) Where the hell is your reason, and where am I refuting facts? I actually brought up facts, and the only facts I can remember from you is that it wasn't two shots, and the train stopped (Which I acknowledged).

3) So I called you a pansy, big deal? You've been doing the same, but not as obvious. I'm straight foward.

Technically the RP isn't dead.


Wolf, get over it. You're dead. Learn from your mistakes and move on, or go away.


IHMN, you're still alive, so you can still post until others decide to join. Everyone else is welcome to re-signup.

Was blowing up the train really necessary? Probably not, but ya know what? I've been in a pissy mood lately, and when people outright ignore me, I get really pissed off. If you think I'm a tyrant DM, you obviously have been pampered your entire RP vocation.

Um, well, Drake....tyrant isn't the word I think everyone is using...

Closer to...trigger-happy, or self-focused.

I mean, sure I gunned down Briggs. Then you brought him back and said "Shoot him in the head!"

Realistically, he should've been dead in the first place. And then there's the small detail ignoring thing. While some of that can be attributed to us, you need to pay more attention to what people say.


And just so I know, have you ever really had to deal with guns? Like, ever fired one, or something? That tends to contribute whenever you do an RP like this.

For future reference: IHMN has raised pissing people off to an art form.

Also for future reference: Think broadly and be prepared to adjust your plans. Don't complain if something really bad happens and you didn't want it to. Calling people stupid because they paralyzed the arm instead of a kill shot isn't a good idea. Generally speaking, we play characters who avoid using lethal force if they can avoid it.

And in closing....

Realistically, this RP died. You can sit there and say "I'll let you re-sign up." but its not going to work. If you ever encounted a situation where you go trigger happy, and ignore details, then people ain't comin' back.

And IHMN, I was the guy that started Kill-Team (And might revive it) As I remember, you got angry at him because he said that he could calculate angles and trajectories to make more weaponry into a fairly accurate long range weapon. I think. I might go back and check.

1) you posted damage repeatedly after I told you not to.

2) Triggery happy and self-focused? Briggs wasn't even a main character, he was a punk NPC, and nobody of import. Would I blow up somebody important, even to punish errant players? No. If I were as self-focused as you claim, I'd have an actual character and he'd be the main character of the whole thing, do no wrong, and make vash look like an amateur...but hey, I'm not even playing in the thread, I'm just DMing.

3) This happens all the time in RP. Players do something bad, get told not to do it again, they do it again, and the DM punishes them. It's a simple fact of life. Essentially, you cheated, and you paid the price for it. Who are you to say whether or not your shot had the intended effect you wanted? Who are you to say "you get shot, period"? If I'd had Briggs flat-out shoot Batgirl's character in the head, you'd have all thrown a fit.

4) You didn't paralyze jack @#$%. A few bullets to the arm isn't going to render it useless, especially not on someone big like Briggs. And when I say big, I don't mean "rotound."

1) I shot the dude ONCE. You told me not to, so I did not. You only said it ONCE. Never passed kindergarden did ya'?

2) You ahnialated us all...because we didn't do things the way you wanted us to...You understand if I miss this? And the fact we had a gun levelled at his head...and his moving would result in a nasty splatter...

3) Given teh various backgrounds of the characters....you didn't remember that they aren't people that just got guns and said, "OMG I"M T3H SOOLDKIER!!!11ROFL!" ...I rest my case there.

4) Dear god you have never seen the damage a bullet can do before have you? You are so totally one of those people that says, "I got a tiny hole in there." Wonderful think about "Take our kids to work" day when your aunt WORKS IN THE ER...In this case I pity you, but feel happy for you. You haven't needed to see what people inflict on one another.

I remember that...

"He can snipe with a pistol."
"... How?"
"He is very smart. He can caculate angle and trajectories in seconds to pull of a snipe with a pistol."
"Well, beyond the fact that a pistol can't even shot that far, what about wind? A pistol bullet would be shot completely off target at long range by a slight wind."
"Oh, but he can. He is smart."
"..."

1) is it even possible for you to try to make a point without hurling an insult? I told everyone not to, and as a whole I was ignored. You all paid the price for the mistakes of the few.

2) He had the trigger IN HIS HAND. He didn't HAVE to move, he just had to thumb a switch.

3) Irrelevent. That doesn't even have anything to do with the point I made.

4) I've seen the damage bullets can do. I also happen to know that Brigg is a very large man, used to pain, and wearing body armor. His bicep got shot up...big deal. He can still sent the signal to his thumb, blowing you all to kingdom come.

1) Actually, no. No you didn't. And generally, I hurl insults anyways.

2) Ye of little understanding...and utmost anal-ness....

3) Um, yes it does. It means that when they shoot, they hit.

4) You are very very stupid I can tell. Muscles do nothing, they aren't armour, being used to pain does nothing, and if a muscle gets ripped up, odds are you can't move that part anymore. Also note that Wolf said into the forearm as well, which means he had a good chance of cutting the tendon depending on what he was using.

1) Yes, yes I did. Both here and in the actual thread.

3) Briggs is also highly trained. He does this for a living, meaning has developed reflexes, combat awareness, etc etc etc. Just because he gets hit, doesn't mean he'll get hit WHERE YOU WANT HIM to be hit.

4) I never said muscles were armor. However, he's a big, big man, with lots of arm TO shoot--meaning your chances of hitting something vital to his being able to move his thumb are slim to nil.

So, he could dodge bullets is what you're telling us?

And the arm thing means nothing. You aim down the middle and you're gonna' get what you want.


Now, I'm gonna' call this quits now because you are obviously not worth my time, and just an anal-retentive power mad n00b.

So...good to know we're all mature people.

Well, I'd like to think I at least rate semi-mature. :(