why do all you guys got to be hating ff
 

You know, why do all you people have to be saying that "every ff since 6 has let me down" personally, i dont think there has been a bad ff. it seems like everyone who started playing ff6 has hated every ff ever since. i love every single ff. there is no such thing as a bad ff, (excluding the movie) ive played them all and loved everyone of them. personally ff7 is my favorite. i started playing ff when i was 8 years old and never stopped. all you people who bitch about ff8 or ffx being bad games need to stop living in the past and see the potential these games have. i think the only reason you havent enjoyed playing these games is because you wont let yourselves enjoy them. you keep comparing them to ff6 or ff7. and i agree, think the final fantasy series peeked with ff7, but that doesnt make the rest bad games.you want to play a bad game? go buy ET for atari or any of the new tomb raider games. those will make you cry with their horribleness. basically all i got to say is quit bitching and allow yourself to enjoy and game that isnt ff6 :D

Ah, I wouldn't worry about it... People have their own opinions; you don't need to change them.

Yeah dude lighten up. I don't think FF is going to have some dramatic effect like the moral countinuety of our country or anything.

Anyways, anything that isn't 8-bit sucks anyway. So I say comparing FF6 to FF9 is like watching a pot scream at a kettle..

...That's quite the analogy.

FFVIII is in the running for my favorite FF game so...I certinly don't.

I don't think someone with a Sephy icon should be bashing people for hating anything over VI when he himself might have a BAIS against those below VII (although I know you don't by your post). And you've played EVERY FF game? Wow.

But I do agree the movie was ok. Not fantasy, but pretty good for what it is.

Heh, I can't say anything because I haven't played any other FF besides 4, 5 and 6

*Shrug*

My favourite FF's are, in order:

FFX, FFI, FFX-2, FFIX, FFIV, FFVI, FFV, FFVII, FFII, FFIII, FFVIII

I have my reasons for disliking recent incarnations of the Final Fantasy phenomenom. The first reason is one of principle. The purpose of an RPG is to tell a story. How it accomplishes so is left to the game designers (this why in some cases the question of what is an RPG is so blurry (Metal Gear Solid)). Square has taken a direction I can not condone and will boycott by not buying any more games from them. Graphics are ONLY one part of the RPG experience. Square has recently shown that graphics have to be THE reason for their games. Their stories have gotten less and less involving and more and more frivolous and repetitive.

My other reason (and one that has bothered from when I played FF1 to this very day) is that Square has made their games seem generic and not unique. The characters which you get acquainted with are disposable. Between each game, there is no continuity. The series never meant to have continuity but damnit that bothers me a lot! I don't experience a world vicariously through a character just to dispose them after the game has ended. Their non continuity policy has leaked into all the other series (except from Front Mission, the only series where the events have heads and tails) like the fact that the Secret of Mana universe is not continuous. Technically, Secret of Mana has become Final Fantasy in the sense that both lack continuity between each universe.

The generiqueness (I don't know if the word exist but YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN) problem is specially noticeable in the latest Mana game. Legend of Mana. The history is so generic that the heroes that live it have absolutely no past. The player characters have the only purpose of playing the game because they sure as hell don't interact with the story. You feel like you are never a character in the story but just the means that the story uses to get things moving.

I didn't mention the Chrono series because I am still crying from the time I finished Cross. The history of this one is a bit less generic but the characters are. There were optional characters in previous Square games but never in the ridiculous proportion of Chrono Cross. The characters of this game are so useless that most of them never utter more than 20 lines in all the game with the exception of the main cast. They replaced the seven well developed characters from the original with 44 dipshits that range from utterly pathetic (a voodoo doll...wow) to uninteresting (a buck-toothed, stand up illussionist). Not content with just replacing the characters, they concocted a convoluted story which killed off most of the original cast (someone from a future timeline got revenge on them or got rid of them to prevent further trouble.......utterly bullshit) and placed the game in a miniature section of the original world (which didn't exist in the original word) so they wouldn't have to cook up a decent story.

I apologize if I sound too vulgar in some part of my reply. Its like that due to spite and anger. Like Bernie Ohls said in "The Long Goodbye": "I am an old man. All that I have left is bitterness". These are my opinions and are, of course, subjective. They are similar to what Bryan said in one of his articles because he had the right idea...I just took it to the most important level, the personal level.

Actually, there's a lot of RPGs that have continuity in their storylines. The Xenogears series is nothing but continuity, same with the Suikoden series. And there are many more that do the same.

But if your entire grief is based upon the fact that Final Fantasy doesn't have continuous storylines, would it make you feel better if Square say just scrapped the Final Fantasy title and put a new and different title on each new game, even if they kept the games the exact same? That's a pretty paper thin arguement there if you ask me...

You also mention that the games are repetitive, which I would argue with. The only two Final Fantasy games I can think of that had storylines even remotely alike, were Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy VIII.... And even then, the similarity between the two is rather... well... non-existant...

Sure the battle systems are pretty much the same throughout, but what's wrong with that. I've played a lot of RPGs out there, and I find that a lot of them have unnessicarily complicated battle systems, forcing you to go through half a dozen menus to do the same function that Final Fantasys battle system lets you do in one or two.

Anyways, just my $0.0015... Just be sure not to spend it all in one place.


Oh, and BTW... I agree with you COMPLETELY in regards to the Chrono Cross thing... :p

my problem is, quite frankly, people like tubmaster (nothing personal, im just using you as an example); people who refuse to accept that the Final Fantasy line of games are anything but the end-all be-all RPGs.

Final Fantasy 6 was great, it had an engaging story, interesting characters and good graphics (at the time). im sorry if i hold Squaresoft to a higher standard because they created a good game at one point, but i guess thats just me.

FFX was alright, it had a great battle system and skill progression; but outside of Auron and Lulu, i hated all the characters. i am fucking sick of rpgs that are about angsty teenagers that are out to save the world. please, could we get a hero thats old enough to buy a drink?

oddly enough, this viewpoint isnt about being resistant to change. this is about the stagnation of the FF series, and square's resistance to change. outside of those two changes and a graphics overhaul, there wasn't much new in FFX. Oh, other than the addition of voice-overs that made me want to claw my ears out.

basicaly, all I've got to say is quit bitching and allow yourself to enjoy a non FF game.