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BitVyper 07-17-2009 09:09 PM

1984 has never been on Kindles, and you never purchased it from Amazon
 
And if you claim otherwise, I'll be forced to alert the Thought Police.

And get your facts straight: We're at war with Eurasia. Try to keep up.

Fifthfiend 07-17-2009 09:15 PM

I'm not so hung up over this particular instance (it was some like bootlegger with no rights to the book who somehow got into amazon's service or w/ev) than just the general notion of Amazon being able to delete things off of a device I supposedly own. I honestly can't think of a good reason for that functionality to be on there, and this instance doesn't qualify either cause they'd be better off just like, not having ill-planned backdoors into their service form which copyright violators can sell unlicensed products.

BitVyper 07-17-2009 09:22 PM

Is that what happened? I see. Well anyway, yeah, the fact that they can do this at all is the main problem.

Edit: Can I ask where you got that information? I've been googling around, and I can't see anything about it having been sold illegally.

The Argent Lord 07-17-2009 09:26 PM

Both articles I read said that the books were deleted off of the Kindles of customers who had paid for them, and that the accounts were credited with a refund. It seems unlikely that this would be the case if they were bootlegged.

EDIT: After further factchecking, it appears the books were purchased legitimately, but from a publisher that had no right to them. So the ones who had the books deleted from their Kindles had done nothing illegal. It seems to me that this should have been taken up with the company itself, and possibly the credit transferred to the publisher who owns the rights, and the illegal copy replaced with the legitimate one.

EDIT2: Here's a link to the article I found. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/te...azon.html?_r=1

Marc v4.0 07-17-2009 09:39 PM

So hey, nothing like 'embodying' 1984 at all..you see, because it WAS a justified and completely fair thing that happened. Case Closed!

BitVyper 07-17-2009 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc v1.0 (Post 952173)
So hey, nothing like 'embodying' 1984 at all..you see, because it WAS a justified and completely fair thing that happened. Case Closed!

So says the Ministry of Truth.

Seriously though: No. That's not how ownership works.

Mirai Gen 07-18-2009 01:42 AM

I think Marc knew that, Bit, of course the sarcasm could be layered so thick I'm seeing honesty.

I'm waiting for our very own version of Godhand Prime to step in and tell us how Amazon is totally justified, in fact.

BitVyper 07-18-2009 08:52 AM

Quote:

I think Marc knew that, Bit, of course the sarcasm could be layered so thick I'm seeing honesty.
Yeah, that's why I threw it in black. I wasn't quite sure, which means it was a pretty good joke.

krogothwolf 07-18-2009 10:43 AM

They could have at least had digital warrior women stealing the book back to make it slightly entertaining.

Meister 08-01-2009 07:51 AM

Someone's suing Amazon for this.

Quote:

"As part of his studies of '1984,' Mr. Gawronski had made copious notes in the
book. After Amazon remotely deleted '1984,' those notes were rendered useless...

... because they no longer referenced the relevant parts of the book. The notes are still accessible on the Kindle 2 device in a file separate from the deleted book, but are of no value. For example, a note such as “remember this paragraph for your thesis” is useless if it does not actually reference a specific paragraph. By deleting '1984' from Mr. Gawronski’s Kindle 2, this is the position in which Amazon left him. Mr. Gawronski now needs to recreate all of his studies."


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