'Core' gamers are more likely to own, say, a 360 and a Wii, than what we're calling casual gamers who would just have a Wii. They might have a PS3, but that'd just be as a cheap Blu-Ray player.

Personally money permitting I've never found a compelling reason not to own as many consoles as companies are willing to produce. Aside for the possibility of one being horrible. I don't think I could really get along for very long without my Wii, PS3, 360, and PC. Of course I have a notoriously short attention span for games so I tend to hop back and forth in regards to which one I spend the most time on from month to month. PC gaming has gotten much better now that I have a 360 controller that plugs into it. Seriously I'm shit with a keyboard and mouse for some reason.

Aren't you the one who was saying that experiences aren't universal, or some such?

'Casual' gamers, for all that term means(Very little, and even less within this conversation), aren't going to see much interest in games outside of stuff like mini game collections or Wii Fit, or Wii Sports, or Wii Do Something Silly.

EDIT: I never said the dodge mechanic was inferior. I played an earlier game by the same company and it had a better dodging mechanic, one of the best mind you, because it used a controller and not waggle. I do wonder why I didn't bring up the numerous times Jack wouldn't swing his chainsaw or go into a chainsaw battle thing because the Wiimote is stupid, though. As soon as you brought it up, I recalled it happening several times, and being very inconvenient.

This would be why I used like personally and I which indicate this was an anecdote in order to illustrate that exceptions do in fact exists and generalization are almost universally wrong and dangerous to make.

Again generalizations are bad. The fact that you had to qualify the term as being essentially meaningless in context indicates perhaps there exists a better way to phrase it initially. Especially since its been made clear there are people in this very thread that are self described "Casual" gamers whose interests are much more varied and sometimes do not include those games. Also calling it Wii do something silly has negative connotations regardless of what you actually mean. Wii do Something would have worked just as well without the negative connotations.

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Uh just going to point out.

Yeah this thread has been going on for 12 pages (seriously, WTF) and I still have no clue what a casual gamer is or, even more so, a casual game. Cause people play games, they play games that they like. Some play less, some play more, I totally don't see any fundamental difference. I've been playing games all my life and have played most of the classics but I don't play much now as I don't have time to play and I think the 360 is pretty shit overall and basically a repackaged Xbox- what does that make me?

And no other medium do we really define casual/hardcore. LIke I watch an absolute fuckton of films and if I start slagging everyone off over not watching as many films sd me and only going to see blockbusters and not the defining films of the generation (as I have done before) people would scream shit at me. Let's say I started saying films shouldn't be made for anyone except ridiculous artsy film buffs or that people who go to see blockbuster films have no taste you wouldn't accept it- as I have done in the past and you didn't.

I'm not seeing it as anything more than petty elitism. If someone can clarify it better I would appreciate it. Especially define what you actually mean by a casual gamer.

Long story short, there's a bigger market than most realized on this level of motion control and Nintendo jumped on it first. Sony and Microsoft are businesses out to make money so they're going to join in and try to split the market.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Now let's all play the games we like and be done with it!

Hahahah RT repped me for being drunk while doing a console wars argument.

Awesome!

I honestly think he's looking for excuses to be offended. I mean really.
 

Was a mis-type on my behalf. I meant to say awful or some such modifier. Will fix eventually.

Also, at what point do we not consider Wii Rock, Wii Cheer, Wii Ski, Wii Dance, Wii Whatever to have not reached the point of all falling under the Wii Do Something Silly category?

@SMB: I use the term as merely a way of representing different demographics, different in the sense of how an action movie is targeted towards different audiences than a romance movie. Neither is inherently bad/better. I think the Wii Everything games are a good example for what I think would be considered the 'casual' group, or at least what is marketed towards them. The main complaints about the casual market, at least from what I've seen, isn't against the actual casual gamers, but against the marketing towards them. I think there are a fair amount of people who'd consider themselves core gamers who thought that the Wii would have games geared towards them, and the majority of third-party games have been marketed and made for this other market. You also have a few first party stuff like Wii Fit that makes them feel like Nintendo themselves don't care about core gamers anymore, though I wouldn't say that was the case. Compare that with both the PS3 and 360 that have both first and third party games marketed towards those who'd consider themselves core. Those people found satisfaction from these companies. 'Core' gamers worry, not without reason, that Sony and Microsoft's attempts to copy/one-up Nintendo will result in a similar gaming experience to that of the Wii, which is, to them, disappointing. I similarly have those worries, but my main problem stems from that I prefer button-control to motion-control, and would prefer that motion control didn't become the standard playing setup for the next video game generation.

EDIT: Plus, I mean, going to the movies doesn't have a several hundred dollar entry bar.

Sithdarth I'm sorry but if you want us to argue with you legitimately you're going to have to do better than "The way you put it hurts my feelings."

I wonder how much this thread would actually change if I just CTRL+F and Found and Replaced "casual" with "kids." That's really the only pattern I see. :p