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stefan 09-20-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NonCon (Post 970888)
On the one hand I think it would have been better to wait until he was an adult, since I think making the change would be easier, at least in the sense that he will have fewer people giving him trouble to deal with, and he'll also be better able to cope with the people who do give him trouble.



Haha, oh wow.

Because all the bigoted fucks she'd face in elementary school are all going to vanish into the aether, and not totally keep their opinions well into adulthood with an added dose of power to exert that bigotry, right?

Seriously. Its better for the kid to slide into her actual identity earlier, where there's a limit on what kind of abuse can actually be done to her, then to force her into doing it years later where after years of abuse she'll probably get fired from a job or have her livelihood cut off when she finally tries.

Also not only will this make it easier for her to live in the long run it might actually show the kids around her that hey, sex change isn't some horrible freaky thing to throw rocks at.

Kim 09-20-2009 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stefan (Post 970987)
Because all the bigoted fucks she'd face in elementary school are all going to vanish into the aether, and not totally keep their opinions well into adulthood with an added dose of power to exert that bigotry, right?

Seriously. Its better for the kid to slide into her actual identity earlier, where there's a limit on what kind of abuse can actually be done to her, then to force her into doing it years later where after years of abuse she'll probably get fired from a job or have her livelihood cut off when she finally tries.

Also not only will this make it easier for her to live in the long run it might actually show the kids around her that hey, sex change isn't some horrible freaky thing to throw rocks at.

Because you are better emotionally equipped to deal with such things and you have a lot more control over who you surround yourself with.

Also, with the nine year old one Bells mentioned, groups of people who've gone through sex changes have said it would have been better to wait until an adult for the very reasons I just said.

Rymramoch 09-20-2009 06:01 PM

But the cases you are discussing, the nine and twelve year olds, are not actually going through with SRS at that age. They are starting to present as female at that age, most likely not even taking hormones until they are through with puberty. and stefan is correct in that the majority of adults who transition do lose their jobs etc. Some even totally strip away everything of their old life in an attempt to hide that they were something other than what they are now. Also, transitioning later in life will cause difficulties in the exchange of one set of social rules for another (boys act differently when hanging out with just other boys than girls with other girls etc.) How is that any easier than beginning the change when you have yet to really build your life (who here over twenty still hangs out with most of the people they knew in middle school? I know I don't) and learn those social rules?

P.S. NonCon, out of curiosity do you have any links etc. about this
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groups of people who've gone through sex changes have said it would have been better to wait until an adult for the very reasons I just said.
? I would like to read their thoughts on the matter.

P.P.S. If anyone wants articles etc. I can link them later, I just do not have the time at the moment.

Kim 09-20-2009 06:06 PM

Here's the quote, from the Beaumont Society, the world's largest transgender organization.

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“This child is vulnerable to bullying and teasing. They and their family have been seriously misadvised. It is hard enough for an adult to change gender.”
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Furthermore, if someone were fired for getting a gender change, I'm sure they could sue to get their job back. They shouldn't have to, but you act as though there aren't options.

The Sevenshot Kid 09-20-2009 07:41 PM

This is just odd.
Nobody should be discriminating against anyone for any reason, but this just puts a bad taste in my mouth. A kid just a few years younger than me is doing this?! Why in God's name would a parent let a child do this at such an early age?
I personally don't agree with this stuff but people should be able to do whatever floats their boat as long as they don't act obnoxious about it.
But this is just going way too far.

Magus 09-20-2009 10:04 PM

I don't know why you guys are surprised about the age of 9 doing this, there was a news story on NPR last Fall I believe following two 7 year-old transgendered boys who were becoming girls and how their parents were part of a support group of parents with the same problem. I forget what state this was (I don't want to sound stereotypical but I believe it was California, Oregon, or Washington for one of the boys, the other was from another state quite a ways away and they had become friends via a support group).

I dunno if kids this young should be making such drastic life decisions but I suppose it's more sensitive than telling them they can't do the things they naturally want to do (such as wear girls' clothing etc.) I know the parents were concerned and that was why they had joined the support group (the one boy's father had had problems with the transition and enjoyed being able to discuss his feelings with other parents who were going through the same thign).

But yeah the fact that the boys were starting school is probably somewhat better in that there wasn't this sudden transition that someone runs into at the age of 12 for example.

Fenris 09-20-2009 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frogman (Post 970936)
Wait... so everyone is on my side for this one... sweet!

Please cut back on comments that don't add to the discussion taking place.

And by "cut back" I mean "stop making them or we'll ban you."

Rejected Again 09-21-2009 02:15 PM

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"Kids are by nature immature and insensitive. It is not fair either for the child who is undergoing this change. The girl, as she now is, will go through hell because of how this has been handled."
Honestly, if the child wants the sex change operation, she should wait until she is an adult. No amount of talking to teachers and parents will stop the teasing and abuse. You can talk with a 12 year old about how his/her classmate is going to change gender, and they will still shun them.

That said the teasing may have not come from as many kids if the parents were notified. Either way, she would have been teased.

Fifthfiend 09-21-2009 02:45 PM

ATTENTION EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD

THE KID IS NOT HAVING ANY OPERATION ANY TIME SOON

LIKE NOT TILL SHE'S 16 OR SOMESUCH

WE DO NOT NEED TO KEEP SAYING THAT THIS KID SHOULD NOT HAVE THIS SURGERY AT THE AGE OF TWELVE

AS THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT HAPPENING AND IT IS LEGALLY PREVENTED FROM HAPPENING

THERE THAT IS COVERED EVERYBODY GOT THAT COVERED YES YOU DO GREAT EXCELLENT GOOD

KTHXBAI TTYL

Kim 09-21-2009 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 971240)
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Yeah, but she's changed her name to a girl name and is wearing girl clothes and all that, so she's taking on a female identity at an age when the external consequences of such can be hard to cope with and her options are fairly limited, as opposed to when she's an adult and she'd be better able to cope with the mistreatment and fight it.

Yeah, she can go back to wearing boy clothes and going by a boy name, but it's hardly like any of her schoolmates will forget this event.


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