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Take that causality! (An LHC Thread)

So now the "reverse causality" theories are starting to show up. Or, more accurately, are coming to the forefront as they've apparently been around for a while now.

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Is the future trying to save us from ourselves? A series of scientific papers that have been kicking around for a couple of years suggest that if the Large Hadron Collider ever were to find something that shattered the cosmos, the future universe might protect itself by sending a backward-causality wave to break the LHC, or at least warn us.

Sure enough, the LHC is broken - leading The New York Times' Dennis Overbye to wonder half-jokingly whether there was something to the claim after all.

Does that sound spooky? What if I told you that the idea of going back in time to derail out a world-ending particle collider goes back even farther, to a novel written about the fate of the long-canceled Superconducting Super Collider? And that the author of that book is a physicist who has been conducting research into ... backward causality?

Oh, and physics card games to test the theory!

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The papers on the LHC's potential effects were written by Holger Nielsen of Copenhagen's Niels Bohr Institute and Masao Ninomiya of Japan's Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics. They suggest that the LHC could produce exotic particles (such as the long-sought Higgs boson), and that producing those particles would somehow be so catastrophic that the event would send back a timeline-altering signal to avoid producing them in the first place. They even suggest that physicists create a card game that would determine whether the LHC is allowed to operate at the highest levels. The game would be designed with a minuscule chance of "losing," but if the physicists actually lose the game, the LHC would be limited to lower-energy collisions.

So, as time travel and such has been in the forefront of discussions surrounding 8bit Theater and all, what do you all think about this little backwards time-fix? What if your future self is sending signals back in time to break your crappy works so that you go do something else? Something better? Something....not-worse?

I think one of the actual scientists who worked on the LHC came back in time and is now sabotaging it. True fact.

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Originally Posted by Magic_Marker (Post 980263)

Goddamnitt! Even the future doesn't want us colliding Hardons. Who else, besides scientists of course, is left?

I want to collide hardons.

Goddamnitt! Even the future doesn't want us colliding Hardons. Who else, besides scientists of course, is left?

The LHC is doing nothing that doesn't happen in space already. We're pretty safe.

But seriously, for those of us whose pants aren't made of Barrels, doesn't it seem like the last year has been right out of some bad SF, LHC Bombing the Moon, and 3D TV's.

I can't wait until we make danger rooms, then the real fun begins.

Of course the other explanation is that the thing is a $10 billion several mile in diameter monster of a machine with god knows how many parts with tolerances ranging from millimeters at most to nanometers. It'd be bigger news and even more probabilistically impossible if the thing had worked the first time perfectly.

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Originally Posted by Magic_Marker (Post 980273)

I can't wait until we make danger rooms, then the real fun begins.

The universe would break the rooms backwards in time just for the sake of the holodeck cliche. Do we really want that?

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Originally Posted by Sithdarth (Post 980275)

I deal with similar machines (though on a much much smaller scale) and machines like that exist in a constant state of broken. I've spent the last year trying to get my machines running with no luck and 0 progress.

Well maybe the universe just doesn't like what you're doing!

Well, regardless of what happens we'll be fine, remember they do have Gordon Freeman working there. Unless they fired him due to economic troubles.

I think we need to build a second LHC so we can have dueling hardon's.