man she is soooo hot too.

also, yeah Blue I can identify with that. I ended up going to a school for 6th grade with a lot of racist kids, and I think I was one of like 2 mexicans in the whole school. They didn't even know what racial slurs to use, I think they decided I was of arabic descent after a while.

anyways, long story short, I injured a lot of kids that year and was suspended twice. But I guess that's just another lesson in adversity. I don't think it's necessarily wrong to knock some punks lights out, I mean your parents won't be there when you get mugged coming home from work either.

Hmm...

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Yup, not seeing caning.

Totalitarianism would have fit better, but I was being hyperbolic, so...

Either way, no.

Explain how "That's just how it is, suck it up" is any different.

Which: Marc, Preturbed, Kepor, Wigmund, and I'm tired of reading old posts now--all said in not so many words.

Then we have no beef.



You can do a lot to further the movement of changing shit.









If they give a shit, and they aren't just being evil assholes about it, while still implementing things like uniforms then the only option left is that they're too stupid to actually do research and disseminate the results.



Or, more often, it's one kid that smuggles alcohol, and then the administrators because they either don't give a shit or think all teenagers are rebellious nasty little shits who do everything wrong just because they can decide that they will just outlaw the entire practice of bringing drinks.

As MoM said already, if you catch a kid with alcohol (and it's not hard, alcohol does have a distinct smell, not to mention most high schoolers can't hold their liquor), and you don't punish them harshly enough that no one else wants to risk it, you are doing it wrong. You don't punish everyone because a couple of people fucked up.



Also, go look up the supreme court case on that girl who was searched for aspirin recently.

It's unlawful.



It is when you're trying to teach them things at individual levels, and their brains are still developing, meaning that any great changes in behavior will affect them for years to come.

Further, I know the kids who I went to high school with. I would rather not be in a group with them.


School board members, man. That was about school board members.

They're just pandering to the lowest common denominator. When dealing with large groups of people that's typically the best method of sucess, especially if success constitutes bringing the entire population in question up to a certain educational standard.

Yeah, that probably would have worked better with say, security cameras instead of caning.

Still, we're a far cry from fascism.

People have said "That's how it is", but I don't think anyone has actually said "suck it up".

I would also actually like to say that I agree with you, mostly. I just find some of your choices... questionable.

You can do that, you can. And I think there are quite a few people working towards that. However, we're not going to see an overnight change. It would be nice, but realistically, we're not.

The problem is that when you're a overworked person in charge of a large body of teenagers, the most hellish creature known to man, you're likely going to jump at anything that sounds like a good idea or you think will make your job easier.

Again, not saying it's right, I'm just saying I can understand how rules like that get into place.

Except in this example, it's not just alcohol. If you outlaw soda, that's going to be a much bigger problem.

Also, another problem up at the higher levels in my opinion is blanketing, where you see the couple of bad kids, punish them, have the problem crop up again, and decide it would be much easier to just get rid of the whole problem than to deal with it.

Again again, not saying that's right.

Then I'll start air-dropping pamphlets as soon as you can get me a hang-glider.

Though I'm not up-to-date on that, wouldn't it still be legal if they made you sign something?

*insert not-saying-it's-right here*

Actually, I think one of the really big problems in schools is overcrowding, mainly because of my own experiences. I used to have a lot of problems, particularly in the first two grades of middle school with about a 1000 other kids. In the eighth grade, I moved to a school a third the size, and I got waaaaaaaay better, and got even better when I came to an even smaller high school.

Isn't that pretty much the exact same sentiment you say people express towards kids who go nutso and shoot up their school?

Fair enough. Still, I'd say you're painting quite a few decent people in an unfair light.

Except, why would you outlaw soda?

soda is the leading cause of childhood obesity in America.

...I'm just sayin'

...Interesting, because most things I find on the matter (with an admittedly cursory check) cite lack of exercise, or other such things. Where are you getting this info, if I may ask?

I'm not saying its not a factor, but I do question the validity of banning a drink completely just because of this link. Not selling it in school? Maybe, I guess. Banning it from even being brought to school? Overboard. Waaaaay overboard.

Fun story, lots of schools actually have cameras, these days. Though I don't actually see that as such a big deal, as it's a public building, and every other public building these days has them, and it doesn't actually try to enforce that the students not do things. It just makes it easier to catch them when they do things that the school board enforces.



Without bothering to go look it up, I know Funka said those exact words, and Wigmund strongly implied it.


And I'm saying that if you can't be bothered to care about your job because you are busy and deal with teenagers, then you shouldn't have a job that requires you to be busy and deal with teenagers.

In fact you should be removed from that position and replaced with someone who has the ability to continue caring and do research.



Sure, but I'd rather a few kids sneak in soda and drink, omg fattening sugars and caffeine they're getting at home, anyway (if they have a supply they can smuggle to school), than outlaw any kids drinking anything ever.

It's an overly heavy handed approach and shows the 'fuck the kids' mentality that seems to pervade the school systems in this country.



Probably not if you did as a high schooler, as you are under 18 and unable to give legal consent to anything. If your parents sign it as well, though, then yes. You are effectively signing away your ability to protest an, otherwise, unlawful search.

Which, if you remember all the outrage over that honor role girl being stripped to bra and panties by the school, is exactly why rules like that piss me off.

100% agreed.

I'd have mentioned it, myself, but I felt it was a little off topic. Further, it's going to be a lot harder to get your state to give more money to schools, or the feds to give more money to states to give to schools, than it will be to bitch slap your school board into not wasting their time on ridiculous rules.

Mostly because the school board is a lot more accessible and has a much smaller number of constituents.


Well, not the EXACT same.

Also, I was being partially facetious.

Though, the fact is kids tend to form their own groups of like minded individuals who get along on their own. Trying to make the entire school into a group of non-like minded individuals is probably kinda pointless, and not so much a good idea.



Maybe, but then maybe if those decent people stood up for their decent beliefs to the other members of the board/FORMED some decent beliefs, instead of getting apathetic we wouldn't have situations like the ones detailed above.

Re: bringing drinks to classes,

Intuitively this seemed like the case and I was hoping I could find something to back it up, this looks like a step in that direction.

Basically - and it's amazing that this point requires making - thirsty people can't concentrate on things. When you need people to concentrate on something, such as a class where they are meant to learn, not letting them have water is completely counterproductive to what you are trying to do.

If your school administration wants to keep its students from learing, then it should ban waterbottles, and continue shitting its collective britches about the Evils of Alcohol. If it wants its students to learn anything in the course of the day, it should let 'em have a drink of fucking water when they want one.

Sorry, Fifth, I'd help with the words, but I had my daily ragegasm earlier in the thread.