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bluestarultor 01-21-2010 01:56 AM

So what I'm getting is that you hate X-2 because of its light tone and a small sliver of cheesecake.

While we're at it, let's hate on FFIX because Zidane is actually fun to be around and FF5 for Bartz's free spirit.

I mean, seriously, FFX-2 made no pretense at being a super-serious dramathon. You could gather that from the box art. I liked it because Yuna was finally free of her burden and actually was, y'know, living for herself, the way she wanted to, and enjoying her new life and the freedom from fear of a giant monster that regularly messed shit up just to make life Hell under a religion directly supporting it. Without all the pomp and bullshit, yeah, people were re-adjusting to life without a Sword of Damocles all the time. And they were still very much in the process of adjusting. Many people DIDN'T let go, and the ones who did were badly in need of direction. The entire world was an odd mix of the old trying to find a place in the new, people still wearing the same clothes as always, even in vastly different positions, still not quite on kilter yet. Yuna and crew represented a new wave blazing a path into an uncertain future. They dressed like no one else dressed, and their constant changes in decor could be seen as highlighting the uncertainty of where the world was headed, like a teenager experimenting with being goth or prep in an attempt to find their niche. They could be seen to represent experimentation, but they had the confidence to do so.

There are a lot more allegories and explorations than you're giving the game credit for, Snake.

Kim 01-21-2010 02:09 AM

So much ass will be kicked. Effectively all of it.
 
Well, I've got Tidus and Yuna their Celestial weapons. Auron is strong enough that he can survive long enough to be switched out with Lulu. Lulu doesn't have her Celestial because FUCK THAT. I have all the summons. Tidus has Auron's breaks learned. I think I'm ready to kick all the ass.

Sithdarth 01-21-2010 02:28 AM

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Well, I've got Tidus and Yuna their Celestial weapons. Auron is strong enough that he can survive long enough to be switched out with Lulu. Lulu doesn't have her Celestial because FUCK THAT. I have all the summons. Tidus has Auron's breaks learned. I think I'm ready to kick all the ass.
Nope not even close. End bosses probably but the higher ranking boss monsters from the monster farm thing would still mess you up six ways from Sunday. Of course that never really changes even with a full sphere grid.

Kim 01-21-2010 02:50 AM

I actually probably won't bitch about it.
 
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Nope not even close. End bosses probably but the higher ranking boss monsters from the monster farm thing would still mess you up six ways from Sunday. Of course that never really changes even with a full sphere grid.

Yes, but I'm not fighting them.

So... I'm pretty sure that was the worst final boss in the history of the Final Fantasy franchise. Like... just... wow. So terrible.

I'm gonna go back to the game now so I can finish the cinematic and then bitch about the ending.

katiuska 01-21-2010 02:58 AM

One random question: can anyone explain why the Guado guard just breaks Jyscal's sphere without any question? I know that Spirans are all about their Maesters, and you just killed theirs, but if you were given a message from your previous Maester, wouldn't you be slightly interested in what he had to say? Or was this supposed to show that the guards were in on Seymour's whole thing?

Kim 01-21-2010 03:07 AM

Great, albeit flawed, game.
 
I think the latter.


So. I'm done. I'm finished with this. It was a lot better than I expected it to be. The ending was great, though I would have preferred it if it had ended on the father and son high five bit. I have a lot of complaints about it, but overall it's a great game, and certainly one I'd recommend to people.

I still think the soundtrack for this game may be the best the series has seen, though I'm sure someone will point to another one and prove me dumb.

I do think it was dumb to make Seymour's backstory, you know that thing that led to him becoming a villain, be something you had to find an optional Aeon to earn, but it was pulled off really well, I'll give it that.

And that's that! The longest journey lasted about fifty hours, and I got a decent amount of stuff completed in it. I can now scratch another FF game off the long list and feel a little prouder of myself. Yay.

Mirai Gen 01-21-2010 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bluestarultor (Post 1008726)
So what I'm getting is that you hate X-2 because of its light tone and a small sliver of cheesecake.


I mean, seriously, FFX-2 made no pretense at being a super-serious dramathon. You could gather that from the box art. I liked it because Yuna was finally free of her burden and actually was, y'know, living for herself, the way she wanted to, and enjoying her new life and the freedom from fear of a giant monster that regularly messed shit up just to make life Hell under a religion directly supporting it.

I hated it because it essentially went in an entirely new direction with the game, painting the heroes instead of a fellowship on the way to accomplish a goal as super-ridiculous flower-power Charlie's Angels slutty outfit wank-sock that followed the story directly after a rather honest and heartfelt 'saving the world' story.

I'm not okay with taking the kinda gentle and quiet Yuna and putting her in booty shorts with double handguns. Just, you know, saying.

bluestarultor 01-21-2010 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 1008743)
I hated it because it essentially went in an entirely new direction with the game, painting the heroes instead of a fellowship on the way to accomplish a goal as super-ridiculous flower-power Charlie's Angels slutty outfit wank-sock that followed the story directly after a rather honest and heartfelt 'saving the world' story.

I'm not okay with taking the kinda gentle and quiet Yuna and putting her in booty shorts with double handguns. Just, you know, saying.

I saw it mostly as her throwing off her entire old life. She moped around Besaid for a month or two after X, but I don't think she really got any peace there. She specifically hates being famous and jumped at the first opportunity to run off and escape it and the boring tedium that was sitting in one spot trying to live like nothing had ever happened. I think in the process, she started trying to cast off everything that had gotten her to that situation, and she's still in the process in X-2. While she dresses differently, she's still got a good deal of innocence left and can't help but help people.



Edit: Also, I happened to like the light tone. Yeah, it's a little goofy, but they're really not saving the world until, like, two seconds from the end, anyway. Their main mission for most of the game is a happy one, looking for Tidus, and the game gets appropriately serious when serious stuff happens.

Mirai Gen 01-21-2010 03:51 AM

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she's still got a good deal of innocence left and can't help but help people.
Booty shorts.

Krylo 01-21-2010 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 1008743)
I'm not okay with taking the kinda gentle and quiet Yuna and putting her in booty shorts with double handguns. Just, you know, saying.

She went from Yamato Nadeshiko to Action Girl in booty shorts.

Honestly, the first is probably about a million times more sexist.

Mirai Gen 01-21-2010 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Krylo (Post 1008754)
She went from Yamato Nadeshiko to Action Girl in booty shorts.

Honestly, the first is probably about a million times more sexist.

It isn't even really sexism at this point. It's just fucking stupid, inconsistent, and utterly ridiculous.

EDIT: Yuna can be an Action Girl or Yamato Nadeshiko and I don't care which I just don't know how the hell you get from one to the other.

Krylo 01-21-2010 04:12 AM

I don't know.

It's pretty easy to justify any character changes in a two year period given what that two year period consisted of. Especially in Yuna's case, when we consider that she never actually got to be her own person before, and was constantly living in her father's shadow/convinced she was going to die so there was absolutely no point for her to even think about the possibility of having fun or being anything other than a sacrificial lamb.

Plus, her main influence over those two years during which she was undoubtedly trying to discover herself was Rikku with a dash of Brother and a splash of Paine. If that doesn't make you goofy, nothing will.

Edit: There may be some bias in my justifying it, however, because I would be perfectly happy if every single Yamato Nadeshiko was turned into, literally, any other character trope overnight. I fucking hate that character trope so much. SO much.

Mirai Gen 01-21-2010 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Krylo (Post 1008757)
If that doesn't make you goofy, nothing will.

The director seemed to be in on it when he made it into, as I said, Charlie's Angels.

But I digress.

Amake 01-21-2010 06:34 AM

NonCongratulations, lol
 
Soo congrats NonCon. Watcha gonna do now?

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope 01-21-2010 12:01 PM

What about FF9 for music? Actually how long has it been since you played the 9th installment.

Azisien 01-21-2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Final Fantasy X-2 Rants
BLAH BLAH BLAH DRAMA BLAH BLAH BLAH CHARACTERIZATION BLAH BLAH BLAH CHEESE BLAH BLAH BLAH TROPES

I thought the combat was pretty fun, that's why I played it through to the end. Biggest disappointment was beating one of the super tough extra bosses (not hard but took like an hour or so) and getting jack shit for reward.

P.S. HAY LOOK I'M A FLOWER!!!

Kim 01-21-2010 12:54 PM

May check out Flower, Sun, and Rain.
 
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Soo congrats NonCon. Watcha gonna do now?

I'm going to Disneyland going to take a break from all jRPGs with the exception of FF Crystal Bearers and FFXIII when it comes out until after I've beaten and reviewed the latter. For the time being I'm looking for more off-beat or obscure titles to play.


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