Originally Posted by Nique (Post 1018027)

Whatever Tycho's opinion (and it seems fairly moderate, which really is fine, but I'll concede that I haven't really followed his thoughts on this much) the latest PA dialog on the issue seems to be more awknowledging the ridiculousness both sides display in this circular argument.

Originally Posted by Tycho

Visit any thread regarding the topic, and I mean any thread, and it won't be three posts until someone raises the Goddamned Jolly Roger and says they'll pirate the game as a gesture consistent with some comprehensive ur-morality they've ginned up, one where stealing things is alright provided they were very angry when they did it. It's entirely possible that you don't like being spoken to in this way, but somebody has to get this done.

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 1018067)

He's making it very clear that despite companies arguing with literal strawmen and the endless cycle of either side, he's very much for DRM because the company's extra-special feelings are getting hurt, and the pirates are the only one who can stop them (Which is horseshit).

Originally Posted by Brian Crecente Managing Editor of Kotaku

Developers and publishers have the right to protect their interests, to ask that I pay for what I play. But don’t we have the right to own what we’ve purchased? To do what we want with it? Are we buying games, or renting them? The industry needs to meet us halfway. This is a problem that hurts everyone, both in its repercussions and its current solutions.

Originally Posted by Daniel James game designer and a CEO of Three Rings

DRM takes a big poo on your best customers -- the ones who've given you money -- whilst doing nothing practical to prevent others from 'stealing' your precious content juices. Worse, it makes these renegades feel nice and righteous about sticking it to 'the man'. Stop trying to persuade people to love you more by hitting them a rusty pipe. Put down the pipe, and give up on DRM.

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 1018115)

Okay, so a year ago he supported the elimination of DRM.

Yesterday he says


I don't know about you but I'm inclined to believe the one he said, you know, recently.

Originally Posted by krogothwolf (Post 1017620)

I did hear that C&C 4 might have this same DRM though.

Originally Posted by Game Informer

"Command and Conquer 4 insists that players always be connected to EA's servers. While this has some minor payouts in terms of the integrity of online stats, the obvious reason for it (whether EA wants to say so or not) is to prevent piracy. Fair enough; EA has every reason to try to get people to pay for its games. As implemented in the beta, however, a hiccup anywhere in the network can torpedo an entire gameplay session. I lost entire scenarios' worth of progress because I briefly lost connection to the servers. Not only do you lose any XP and stats accumulated during a multiplayer or skirmish match, you also have to restart and replay any in progress campaign missions. I try not to get too upset with anti-piracy measures, but if left unchanged, this is a straight-up middle finger to paying gamers. I hate to say it, but we all know the pirates are going to crack it inside a month anyway. They won't lose any progress when their router takes a dump, but I will. -Adam Biessener

Originally Posted by The Wandering God (Post 1018218)

Can you please, please explain how him pointing out the nonsensical behavior of "I'm doing something wrong because a company is being a dick" equates to Tycho saying, "I'm okay with the company being a dick."

I swear, I don't see how you see a pro-DRM argument in the statement that has nothing to do with DRM and everything to do with pirates. I mean, maybe I'm just being obtuse here. But I really don't get it.

And Noncon, if you could provide any examples at all, that would be great. Also, it feels a little like talking to a hydra when you two share opinions as well as avatars. :sweatdrop

Originally Posted by No_More_Than_Thirteen (Post 1018221)

Dunno bout you guise, but I'm kind of glad they don't/can't/won't do this shit with console games.

Originally Posted by Meister (Post 1018224)

Yeeeeah on the other hand, though, those consoles won't be around forever and if you want to replay your old copy of Assassin's Creed 2 in 10, 20 years some sort of illegitimate operation will likely have to be involved no matter which version you have.

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants (Post 1018222)

Because he is creating his own strawman to discredit the pirating side which means that he is supporting the company side.
He is completely misrepresnting the side of pirates who often aren't pirating out of "ur-morality" or to teach the company a lesson but because the pirated version is superior and is the game that they want to play. He doesn't address this side of the argument or even acknowledge its existence because he is buying company line here.

It's like if I presented the debate on healthcare and laid out both sides of argument and gave a reasonable accurate list of republican concerns about cost, capitalism ideals and suchforth but put the democratic side as They want to kill old people and babies, ou could be pretty sure I was in favour of the republican side.

Originally Posted by Tycho