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Ecks 04-23-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mudah.swf (Post 1033458)
I really hope they give us different types for the starters. I just think it would be interesting to have something other than Fire, Water and Grass to choose from. Ditching HMs would be an excellent start too.

They won't break out of Fire/Water/Grass. It's the perfect type balance, as one is supereffective against one and resists the other. I don't think there's another triangle just like it, but if someone wants to do the mental gymnastics to figure it out, go ahead and post it to prove me wrong.

Ditching HMs would be an EXCELLENT IDEA. Instead, take something from those other spin off titles, like that Field Move thing where each Pokemon is capable of doing something.

Only problem with that would be that it would be impossible to gate people into areas anymore. They'd have to use lame stuff like NPCs blocking the path. Not that using Cut Hedges, Moveable Boulders, Smashable Rocks, Climbable Terrain, and Traverse-able Water and Waterfalls and Whirlpools is much better, but at least it's kinda sorta like Metroidvania that way.

Loyal 04-23-2010 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EckScizor (Post 1033473)
They won't break out of Fire/Water/Grass. It's the perfect type balance, as one is supereffective against one and resists the other. I don't think there's another triangle just like it, but if someone wants to do the mental gymnastics to figure it out, go ahead and post it to prove me wrong.

Fighting/Dark/Psychic.

C'mon, best triangle EVER.

Naqel 04-23-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Loyal (Post 1033497)
Fighting/Dark/Psychic.

Rumors of that being an option circle the internet since they announced they're not waiting for a new system with 5th gen.

IMO while cool, it makes it feel a bit too brutal. It's no longer a balance of elements rooted in tradition, but a contest between ways of hurting each other.
Violence, much like sexuality, should only go with pokemon in sick fanfics, even if the series already bases on enslaving wildlife to have it solve your conflicts or entertainment.

Premmy 04-23-2010 08:52 PM

I mean, it makes conceptual sense,
Fighting: Relying on brute force
Psychic: relying on Superior Tactics
Dark: Opportunism, Dirty Fighting.

Naqel 04-23-2010 09:01 PM

That's not my point though. :P

What I mean is that from changing the starter theme from balance of forces of nature or whatever the original intent was to this set, based of different ways of hurting each other(physically, mentally and via cruelty/terror, and yes you can look at it that way too), they'd give a darker tone to the series, even if they'd try to remedy that feeling with cute designs like another playboy inspired bunny or something, since they'll have to grow into second evolution, more intimidating forms.

It's not much of a big concern though, I'm just voicing this way of seeing it to spark a discussion.

BloodyMage 04-23-2010 09:03 PM

Problem is that they'd have to introduce a pure dark type that evolves twice since there currently is no pokemon that have three evolutions and is pure dark. They might also need to do the same thing for the psychic type since the only two pure psychic pokemon evolve twice, one of which is Abra, and the other Ralts.

Not that the new games wouldn't introduce new starter pokemon anyway, but just pointing out that changing the lines to fighting/Psychic/Dark, would imply including new pure psychic and dark tri-evolution lines that evolve through conventional means, which would be a first for both types.

Premmy 04-23-2010 09:04 PM

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What I mean is that from changing the starter theme from balance of forces of nature or whatever the original intent was to this set
Is ther any official word that the symbolism was set up like that? I mean the First Games were red, and blue/green so the first starters were Fire(red) Water(blue) and Grass (Green)
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based of different ways of hurting each other(physically, mentally and via cruelty/terror, and yes you can look at it that way too), they'd give a darker tone to the series, even if they'd try to remedy that feeling with cute designs like another playboy inspired bunny or something, since they'll have to grow into second evolution, more intimidating forms.
Yeah, I mean GOD FORBID they give the third stage of one element type
GUNS
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-ED74B7ZOC...blastoise1.jpg
I Mean, it doesn't HAVE to be a "darker" thing, Just imagine, Say any kids anime with a Heroic character who outwits his enemies, Uses his fighting spirit to overpower his enemies, or one who uses deception to Trick his enemies. Those can be equally lighthearted.

Naqel 04-23-2010 09:07 PM

Now imagine that doubled and done to a lopunny as a regular pokemon(i.e. not an exaggerated fanart).

I dun want my pokemon like that. D:

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Originally Posted by Premonitions (Post 1033510)
First Games were red, and blue/green so the first starters were Fire(red) Water(blue) and Grass (Green)

You can also say it was the other way around, and they named the first games after the colors used to represent the elements/types.

Anyhow, it I still think that no matter intentional or not, the "forces of nature" is a better way to go about it than "tactical approaches", especially that fire, water and grass can also represent those.

It would however be interesting if they went double types, and used BOTH of those triangles. With all starters equal against each other, having main type super effective but sub type with a weakness(making all starters super effective against the each other).

POS Industries 04-23-2010 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EckScizor (Post 1033456)
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Loyal 04-23-2010 10:02 PM

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IMO while cool, it makes it feel a bit too brutal. It's no longer a balance of elements rooted in tradition, but a contest between ways of hurting each other.
Violence, much like sexuality, should only go with pokemon in sick fanfics, even if the series already bases on enslaving wildlife to have it solve your conflicts or entertainment.
We have a game that manages to maintain an attitude, an aura if you will, of affectionate whimsy, despite having creatures which START with the power to level cities and work their way up, creatures that can steal your soul with a glance (yours to them, or the other way around), creatures who are essentially gods, creatures who ARE gods, and various criminal syndicates whose goals and methods grow more destructive and more extreme with every year.

A simple case of which elemental triangle we start with is only as "brutal" and as "dark" as the player reads into it. Cyrus' omnicidal rampage in Platinum was about as dark as the series ever got, and even that was resolved cleanly in a single short chapter.

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It would however be interesting if they went double types, and used BOTH of those triangles. With all starters equal against each other, having main type super effective but sub type with a weakness(making all starters super effective against the each other).
That is the lamest idea I've ever heard. What's the point of having a rival who smugly picks the starter you're weak against if his Fire/Dark doesn't do any better or worse versus your Water/Psychic?


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