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Marc v4.0 04-25-2010 04:41 PM

I don't understand the importance or even the significance of the Dark types not having a 3-step line with how it relates to their viability as a starter.

I obviously understand that making a Dark type starter would require them to make up a 3 step, but I don't see how or what that has to do at all with how many or how few there are already. It isn't something that has any weight on the "They Will/They Will not" scale of the Starter discussion.

mudah.swf 04-25-2010 04:57 PM

And why can't there be a three-step Dark starter? Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean it's totally out of the question.

Tev 04-25-2010 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mudah.swf (Post 1034111)
And why can't there be a three-step Dark starter? Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean it's totally out of the question.

I think the prevailing argument was that a Dark starter would be harder to balance than the tried and true Grass/Fire/Water starters that have been used for the last four generations of the game.

BloodyMage 04-25-2010 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mudah.swf (Post 1034111)
And why can't there be a three-step Dark starter? Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean it's totally out of the question.

I don't believe I ever said it was totally out of the question.

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Originally Posted by Marc v1.0 (Post 1034106)
I obviously understand that making a Dark type starter would require them to make up a 3 step, but I don't see how or what that has to do at all with how many or how few there are already. It isn't something that has any weight on the "They Will/They Will not" scale of the Starter discussion.

You know I'm not basing this on anything. I can't go google and pull you up some statistics or a graph to prove anything. I'm merely stating that I wouldn't expect them to do such a thing.

mauve 04-25-2010 05:37 PM

What the heck. I bought me a copy of Soul Silver yesterday, and at 9 PM that evening I decided to sit down and play for a half hour or so.

I was up until almost two in the morning leveling up my team and not getting very far in the storyline. Why am I enjoying this so much? It's just random battles with limited animation! Why do enjoy this as much as I do????

My team isn't even that extensive: I just finished at the Violet City gym and all I have is a lv 14 Totodile named Bitey, a level 11 or 12 HootHoot, and then an Onix, Rattata and Ghastly all in the single-digit levels. Poor Bitey ends up doing most of the actual hard work.

Loyal 04-25-2010 05:54 PM

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You know I'm not basing this on anything. I can't go google and pull you up some statistics or a graph to prove anything. I'm merely stating that I wouldn't expect them to do such a thing.
Which understandably leaves us puzzled as to why you would suggest something like that in the first place, considering that you are by your own admission not basing it on any reason at all, other than "just because". It's like, how the hell does one respond to that?

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I think the prevailing argument was that a Dark starter would be harder to balance than the tried and true Grass/Fire/Water starters that have been used for the last four generations of the game.
They pulled it off admirably enough with Psychic types. Shouldn't be too big an issue to shift around which is supereffective against what, like making Psychic attacks not completely ineffective against Dark types.

Hell, with the color scheme of the game being Black and White, they could add another, "Light" type, supereffective against Dark, to round out the elemental list to a nice even 18.

Julford Hajime 04-25-2010 05:57 PM

Yeah, that tends to happen :D

Tev 04-25-2010 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Loyal (Post 1034135)
Hell, with the color scheme of the game being Black and White, they could add another, "Light" type, supereffective against Dark, to round out the elemental list to a nice even 18.

And then to make it even more original, we eschew the three-starter option for a dualist choice of either light or dark and run the game from there.

Ecks 04-25-2010 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mauve Mage (Post 1034128)
What the heck. I bought me a copy of Soul Silver yesterday, and at 9 PM that evening I decided to sit down and play for a half hour or so.

I was up until almost two in the morning leveling up my team and not getting very far in the storyline. Why am I enjoying this so much? It's just random battles with limited animation! Why do enjoy this as much as I do????

My team isn't even that extensive: I just finished at the Violet City gym and all I have is a lv 14 Totodile named Bitey, a level 11 or 12 HootHoot, and then an Onix, Rattata and Ghastly all in the single-digit levels. Poor Bitey ends up doing most of the actual hard work.

That reminds me of the shiny Noctowl I have on my Gold ROM. I was so pissed. "Why can't I find shinies in LEGITIMATE games?" To this day, the only shinies I have are my Lake of Rage Gyarados and the Pikachu Colored Pichu from that event.

Some healthy advice: don't expect your Ghost type to save you when you reach Whitney. Her Miltank has the Scrappy ability, effectively allowing her to hit Ghost-types with Normal- and Fighting-type moves. She will literally spam Stomp and Milk Drink ALL FUCKING MATCH.

Julford Hajime 04-25-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EckScizor (Post 1034139)
Some healthy advice: don't expect your Ghost type to save you when you reach Whitney. Her Miltank has the Scrappy ability, effectively allowing her to hit Ghost-types with Normal- and Fighting-type moves. She will literally spam Stomp and Milk Drink ALL FUCKING MATCH.

Note: Curse is still an effective option. It'll be suicide for your Gastly (Who would likely die anyway if he was slower, so MAKE SURE he's faster), but then Miltank would lose 1/4 of its' HP every turn from that point on.

And/Or that Onix you got will totally kick Whitney's ass. Just make sure he's leveled up to around 15-20 and he should be able to take Whitney on.

Also! I'll be on tomorrow to trade you pretty much any starter you want. I have a surplus of Piplup, Chimchar, and Cyndaquil right now, and have been planning to breed some baby starters later tonight.


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