Wow I was all set to come in again and start arguing the competitive side. Nice to see it's been done for me. Laziness: 1, Hard Work: Infinity!

Yeah, just 'cause I recognize that tiers exist, and that it's only fair to enforce them when it comes to competitions, doesn't mean I don't also enjoy the game. The only time I didn't enjoy a game despite immersing myself in the competitive scene was Brawl, and that's because Brawl is terrible.

Also, ranting about people trying to enforce bans during friendly play is ridiculous, sir. While it's certainly frowned upon to waltz into a non-competitive battle with a team of six ubers, nobody in their right mind is going to say you're breaking any rules, because you aren't. Rules outside of what the game itself enforces should only ever apply during actual competitions.

Anywhooo, I'm raising Dragonites now on the off chance that they'll be useful in taking out Red. Just the one I'd been using since Goldenrod City when it was a Dratini has turned out useful due to Dragon Dance and Dragon Rush/Aqua Tail. Well, until everyone and their mother started whipping out Ice Punches and Blizzards. Mmm, Blizzards...

[truth]I'd like to go on the record as saying Mike's the one who fucking started the argument.[/truth]

Now that that's out of the way... I can totally play without using tiers or clauses. But it is the HEIGHT of douchebaggery to go into a six-on-six using nothing but legendaries all holding Brightpowder or some such nonsense. Hence why people normally throw in a couple of rules before playing. Y'know, the same way you tell your bestest buddy in the whole wide world right before you start a game of Monopoly that s/he's not allowed to use bank money if they're gonna play and be banker.

Yeah, given that it's 100% accurate in Hail, and Mt. Silver's peak is under a hailstorm... yeah, makes sense he'd abuse the hell out of it. Lance'll do the same with Thunder if you let his Gyarados get a Rain Dance off.

Technically, it was others who started it. Had everyone simply left my statement alone, accepted it as merely a difference of opinion for some loud-mouthed goon, then everything woulda been peachy. But I am compulsed to defend my statements if they are called out as such.

I still was not the nerd-ragey one here. But whatever.

People still take the pokeymans too seriously.

This "it's everyone else's fault for feeding my trolling" is horseshit and you need to stop it immediately.

POS' mod color? Is it party time already?

I'm back to work on cooking up new competitive 'mons. I'm currently working on a Careful Thick Fat Snorlax... that's taken me two weeks to stop being lazy and get back to work. Hasn't been any more news on the Gen V front, and HG has been getting a tad boring lately.

On the good news front, my kinda-sorta brother-in-law picked up SS and Platinum with his DSLite last week, so I've been busy breedan and tradan some good stuffs for him.

Ok, something that's been bothering me since Gen 1.

How the HELL does Drowzee/Hypno use Poison Gas?

My theory: They fart in your general direction.

And also: The Voltorb and Magnimite thing. How did they come about? Were they built or something?

Just picked up SoulSilver last week. The last time I played any Pokemon was the original Silver and I must say, it still has not gotten old. Just wanted a quick opinion though. How sound would my team be if I planned on going for an all status-effect line up. I'm thinking Meganium, Polywrath, Onyx, Flareon (or any fire type) and two other normal/ground types. That way I would have the opportunity to poison/burn/bind/confuse any of the opponent's Pokemon that give me a hard time and just sit back, heal with either synchronize or roost, increase my defense and let the effects do the work for me while throwing in a few tackles here and there.

I'm going to now try going back through this entire thread to see what I've missed over the past year. :(

My friend code is 2579 6960 5674. Right now I've only reached the second gym, but by the end of the month I should be ready to roll with you vets. I'll be entering as many of your codes as I can today.

[Edit] Also, if anyone could catch me a low level Cubone and smuggle it to my DS, I would love you forever as it has always been my favorite 'mon.

*Grins at the sight of the gauntlet upon the floor, a mischievous spark in his eye*

3910 9930 0613

This should be fun!

So, no one's talking about the seven new Pokemon that were announced on Friday? Man you guys are lame. Incidentally, a source that leaked all that info about a week ago (and has given accurate information in the past) also said there would be triple battles this gen. This might make Plusle/Minun and Gear actually useful. Huh.

I won't be happy until I can just throw my entire team out onto the field at once.

And no, Beat Up doesn't count.

Just your team? Weak. I won't be happy until I can maul someone with 18 full boxes of Rattata.

Naturally, you'll need them to be better than 1782 other boxes of Rattata.

I hate myself so much for this.
 

I'll have you know that my Rattata are in the top percentage of all Rattata. Good day to you, sir.

Now if only battling was completely real time on top of that... Rattata Rush! Muhuhahahahaha!

Oh man, I just had SUPAH ULTRA BUSY WEEKEND and didn't check on this thread at all, or else I'd have signed up for some sweet sweet pokemon fights. Sadly I'm now in a locale that prevents me from getting my Pokefighting fix.

SHUT UP I'M NOT ADDICTED I CAN QUIT WHENEVER I WANT.

Anywho. Anybody up for fighting this weekend? I'll be able to start somewhere around 8PM EST Friday, and should be good for fighting until, like, September >.>

Duuuuurp.

So yeah, MRS FRIZZLE IS THE NEW PROF.

ALL ABOARD THE MAGIC POKEBUS

I like all of them pretty much. LOVE the monkey though, seriously that might be a better fire monkey(....why are there two fire monkeys though? Some Japanese language or myth joke?) than Infernape.

Anyone else hear the thing that apparently Munna(the flower tapir) was hinted at/or inspired by a line in the original Red and Blue where a picknicker says she wishes there was small pink, cute pokemon with a floral pattern? Unused Gen1 design brought out of the waiting room?

And so the OK Corral is mine! ...but for how long?

Seriously, fun battle, Thad. We'll have to do this again soon.

Hahaha, I look forward to it!

And you have six hours to prepare, since I have to go to work soon.

It seems very likely that Munna will be a pre-evolution to Drowzee and Hypno, no? I mean looking at the over all shape and that its species is the dream eater pokemon, I wouldn't be surprised if perhaps it was a pre-evolution for those pokemon.

I can't wait for Crocodile Bandit. Ground/Dark, there's a new one.

Also, Zekrom's leak a month ago turned out to be true... and holy shit, we have two more unique-typing legendaries. I'll have to get back into DPt and use move checker to see what the resists and weaknesses are.

I can't tell which I would prefer... though both are weak to 'quake... and one has an SR weakness...

Smogon news page is source, plus you can just clicky the Black & White link on the sidebar.

Just a word of advice: Don't stay in the wifi lobby while taking a nap. Apparently voice chat doesn't need the other person's approval to connect and I just got an earful of Thad snoring.

Is there any way I can melt this game down and mainline it? The addiction has returned! And I just gave a friend Diamond. I should be ready for battles soon. If anyone has any Pokemans in the vicinity of level 20 I'd be able to maybe compete with that.

If by 20 you meant 82 then yes, I'd be up for some action.

Also! Smogon news page sez they're gonna (at some point) give away a free Cherish Ball Scizor.

Awesome, I said to myself.

Then I saw the moveset, and ability and nature.

Fuck you Nintendo. Why must you give away useless movie-tie ins with useless moves and abilities WHEN YOU STILL HAVEN'T BROUGHT CELEBI OR THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY MEW STATESIDE? Or for that matter given access to the Azure Flute for Platinum (nevermind Diamond or Pearl)?

Japan Is The Center Of The Universe indeed.

You can actually autobalance levels to 50 or 100 in PvP battles now.

Naturally, this has resulted in me not caring enough to level my team past the mid-to-low 60s but on the whole it's a very nice feature.

So I just finished moving earlier today and am COMPLETELY exhausted (PRE-POST EDIT: I fell asleep twice typing this), but I am now in a location with constant Wifi, and am available pretty much any time for them Pokeymans. Anyone interested in a fight, shoot me a message either her or via PM or something.

Friend code (Because I'm REALLY bad about updating my sig with it >.>) is:
4082 8376 4380

Okay, quick pokemon question:

So I'm rather new to this whole "pokemon get'n it on" thing as I've only just recently decided to begin joining the rest of you in the 21st century of pokemon gaming. I have acquired a copy of Fire Red to help aclimate me to the new fangled ways you kids play pokemon these days and, having trounced the Elite Four and begun the bonus content of the Sevii Islands, I have come across the Daycare Center/Pokemon Sex Pit. Now, I've looked up some breeding info on Bulbapedia and think for my first try I'm going to see if I can't churn out a Pikachu with Volt Tackle.

My question is not with the breeding because that seems very straight forward. I'd just like some opinions on evolving the little shock-runt. As a product of early exposure to Ash, his Pikachu, and the power of non-evolved-love-hippy-crap, I've always found it near impossible to evolve the Pikachu that eats up the electric-type slot on my roster. Granted in the first Gen games this was hardly an issue but I guess they fixed the buggy combat system since then so now I need to know: when's the best time/level to apply the Thunder Stone? Is there a reason to let your electric rat stay cute and small forever?

I'll admit, all I know about that is if you have a Pikachu (and only Pikachu I think) hold a Light Ball and breed it, the offspring will know Volt Tackle.

There actually is, some wild Pikachu carry an item called a Light Ball(or something like that), which doubles Pikachu's special attack stat(and maybe it's special defence? I forget). But anyway this bonus doesn't work on Raichu's or anything else. So basically while holding one of these guys, Pikachu becomes a better attacker than Raichu.

However good luck getting one, they have like a 5% appearance rate on pikachu's, which also have a 5% appearance rate.......

Edit: It doubles both it's attack stats. Basically making the little rodent really good at quickly tearing shit up, then dying as soon as something faster or able to survive it's first attack comes along.

Well I'm going to have to get a Light Ball to make a baby Pichu learn Volt Tackle anyway. What I want to know is, if that baby grows up into a Pikachu and I let it keep the Light Ball, is it technically better than a Raichu or do I need to evolve it at some point?

EDIT: Also Pikachu are like a 25% mob in the Power Plant so I'm not too worried about finding a breed sample there.

Also,
I highly doubt the accuracy of those numbers as I'm on my third box full of Pikachu and have yet to see even a single Oran Berry, let alone a Light Ball.

Doublepost because it seems I really do have a breeding question now:

Gave up on the Pikachu breeding program after catching about 120 Pikachu without a single Light Ball. Decided to work on some evolutions and it turns out that Swinub's evolution to Mamoswine only happens when it knows Ancient Power. According to Bulbapedia Swinub only get Ancient Power as a result of breeding with a host of pokemon including:

Diglett, Dugtrio, Wooper, Quagsire, Dunsparce, Phanpy, Donphan, Mawile, Numel, Camerupt, and Kecleon.

After looking through my Pokeboxes it seems I only had a male Dugtrio to get it on with my breeder so I tossed them into the Day Care and let them do their thing. I got an egg and walked around until it hatched and now I've got a little furry pig with Dig and not Ancient Power like it was supposed to. What exactly am I doing wrong here? Dig isn't even on Swinub's breed list.

I took out the Dugtrio and tossed in a Wooper to hope for a better result maybe. It was the only other male on the list that I had on hand.

Are you still playing FireRed? Because I'd give up now since Mamoswine doesn't exist in the generation three games of which FireRed is apart of.

If you're playing the generation four games however, then I found it a lot easier to simply evolve Swinub into Piloswine, then go find some heart scales and the guy that can teach a pokemon any move that they learn by level up. Since Piloswine learns ancient power at level 1, you can teach it that way. This is the easiest way that I've found to get a Mamoswine.

Would anyone be interested later tonight in trading my Kadabra to make it evolve to Allakazam?

Okay then, what I'm doing wrong is playing the wrong generation. :eek:

Thanks. Moving on to the next project. :dance:

And the wrong game if you want Volt Tackle. It's only in Emerald and later games, unfortunately.

So, months and months ago, I decided to play Pokemon Emerald and try out a solo run. Which is when you play through the game using only one pokemon battle with, capturing others as HM slaves. Usually, these are done with really weak (which tend to be unevolved) pokemon, for the sake of the challenge. I did a couple before this, but decided to go all out this time. I chose to play with the statistically weakest pokemon in the game, Sunkern*. I found out that Emerald is really against grass-types, and it didn't help I was using the weakest one in the game.

* I ended up using AR cheats to capture one in the wild, as breeding one and trading it over with Grasswhistle (a sleeping move) felt cheap.

I ended up taking this run slow, as it got rather difficult. Run of the mill trainers, and even wild pokemon would be a serious threat to my Sunkern (repels were life savers). There were parts throughout the run I had to sit down and plan out how I was going to beat certain trainers, as one-shotting Sunkern was effortless to them. After doing this on and off for months, I finally beat the 8 gym leaders, and with nothing but a level 81 Sunkern, and a crap ton of items...


It didn't help that I couldn't defeat the champion with the tools I had, so I had to purposefully white out, go get what I needed, and go through the Elite 4 a second time. Fun, fun.

I wasn't done there, however. Once you beat the Elite 4 and champion, the champion from Ruby/Sapphire spawns in a cave, which you can go fight him. His levels are the highest in the game (outside Battle Frontier), and I figured the only way I could beat him is to raise my Sunkern up to level 100. So I ended up researching where to find Rare Candies, and fought pokemon to finally get to 100 so I could fight him. After tons, and tons, and tons of resets due to a slight mistake, miscalculation, and lucky crits...


I was so glad I was done. So what I ended up doing was something a person with an actual brain would've done long ago: evolve him.

I'm pretty certain the final one would cause Hell to freeze over and awaken the Elder Gods from beyond the infinite.

You know, like beating IWBTG on Impossible.

Well, I could take him over to HeartGold, and see how he fares against the powered up Elite 4, then fight Red. For Platinum, it'd take awhile to set that up as I'd have to start a new file all over again. Or I could do a totally new run with a new Sunkern* in Platinum...

* And not let him learn Grasswhistle as he learns t naturally in 4th gen, and screw that, yo.

Also, I forgot mention, but most people try to make it easy on themselves by making their rival choose a starter that's weak against their solo pokemon (ie. choosing Squirtle for a Pidgey run). I, however, was having none of that! So I ended up choosing Treecko, which in the end made it way harder than it should have been.

Winning with Sunkern, that's pretty swell.
Might I suggest trying Luvdisc as well?
On an easier note, there's nothing quite the same
as owning Kanto and Hoenn in the Tentaquil game.
Yes, memes are annoying, but this one is surprisingly fun.
And it actually got a hack right on day one.

Dammit, I don't know what this... THING is, yet I'm now playing my pokemon game with one. Tempted to Nuzlocke it like someone else on FB was talking about doing, but I know better.

Nuzlocking with Tentaquil's easy as pie.
Use Surf and Puke Blood; watch everyone die.

So how's our Black/White reservation status? The Gamestop near me has almost 80% Black versions reserved so I went with white for the trades. I have no idea what else is different between the versions though.

Man, half the new ones look so retarded.

So after taking a break from 4th gen I decided to play something that's a little different, Pokemon Green. What makes it "different"? Here's the dialogue that appears when you interact with the Pallet Town sign:


Yeah...

So, Black and White are hitting Japan on Thursday, and this is the most excited I've ever been for a game, for one big reason: the Pokemon.

There are no old Pokemon in the game until after you beat it. Do you know what this means? Caves without Geodude and Zubat. Seas without Tentacool and Magikarp. YOUNGSTERS WITHOUT RATTATA. Isshu is a beautiful world.

As for the new Pokemon, almost everything revealed recently has been consistently awesome.

http://i56.tinypic.com/30t46iv.jpg Take Buffafro, for example. His signature fucking move is called Afro Break, for fuck's sake.

http://i54.tinypic.com/if8uhu.jpg Then there's Mushawhateverthefuck. His name doesn't even matter, he's the second creepiest motherfucker to ever fuck a mother. He will rape your dreams and be chill the entire fucking time. In fact, up until this weekend, every single picture of him was just chilling the fuck out and being asleep. He has his own, much creepier rendition of the battle music. And he will fuck your shit up.

You'll notice I said Mushabatman was only the second creepiest. Why? Because fucking Sarcophaghost.

http://i52.tinypic.com/33dxlrn.jpg

Fucking christ. He's got Smogon people pissing themselves already. This creepy son of a bitch will do to the metagame what Glen Beck does to intelligent thought. Go ahead. Attack him. Your ability becomes "Mummy." As does the ability of everything that touches anything else with Mummy. Rain Dish? Gone. Drizzle? Gone. Your Scizor's precious Technician? FUCKING GONE. And he even helps out his bros. Lead with this guy. He takes a hit, the opponent gets mummy. Switch into Slaking. Opponent attacks, Slacking gets mummy, and proceeds to rape everything without having to rest every other turn.

Jesus fuck.

That does seem like a neat ability.


While a few of the new pokemon are neat, a fair number seem pretty stupid. Like whatever this is:
http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/tamagetake.jpg

I'm choosing Tsutarja solely because his last evo is the least retarded-looking.

Augh, third Fire/Fighting starter in a row.

Hmm... To wait for spring, or to import the fuck outta this...

Because at first I was thinking I'd only enjoy it if I could read it, but then I realized that I skipped as much of the long-ass text in DPPt as I could, so...

*Looks up ways to import this mofo* Any tips? Also, suggestions for version? So far I've found playasia with the game for $65, which I'm totally willing to pay, but being a cheap bastard I have to ask if anyone found it cheaper >.>

Dunno where to import, but go with White. It has Zekrom and Jellybaby.

Most of them don't look that bad. Probably one of the better generations, IMO.

The tall squirrel looks like a Showbiz Pizza character from Hell, though.


Edit: I do notice a lot feels recycled, though. Didn't we just HAVE a fire monkey?

These all look perfectly fine.

So smug.

http://imgur.com/4yrjL.jpg

Fucking shit, I love Bicroculars' evolution so much.

Other crap: Smuglord has good speed and defenses, but has shit attack. He looks a lot better in game than in the (semi)official artwork, so that's good. And I liked his artwork. Wotter3 looks a lot better as well.

Man, that's a much better name than the one I came up with.

Even if "Koffin" is only one letter removed from "Koffing", making it funny.



Oh, and Lighting Zebra evolution is amazing, and what in the world is Shinpora supposed to be?

http://i54.tinypic.com/2luaskk.jpg
I'm thinking Nazca Lines. Like Unown should have been. Whatever it is, fucking WANT.

OK yeah, I see it now.

Now see, fandom? That is what we call a reference to Native American culture. Wargle is not.

America, fuck yeah!
 

That's because Wargle is what Stephen Colbert would be if he was a furry.

EDIT: Dive is an HM. Please excuse me while I jizz all over my computer.

Are you kidding me? Dive is a terrible move and it was easily the most annoying and boring part of Gen 3.

*Runs off to rage incoherently*

In this post: OPINIONS.
 

The move sucked, but I personally felt that it provided some of the most beautiful parts of Gen 3. Isshu was a pretty big and exciting region already, being able to dive is just the icing on the cake.

Base stats leaked! Base stats leaked! Base stats leaked!

Deathkan has better physical defenses than Spiritomb!

Hihidaruma has COMPLETELY insane attack!

Candelabraghost that I can't remember the name of has 145 special attack!

Drillmole is awesome!

Everything is awesome!

YYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHH!

Hmm......my Gen 1 recycled Pokemon sense is tingling......

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...ys_Drowzee.png

Assuming those are correct (I question it simply because some of the Base Stat Totals are insanely high), this generation will basically be ALL ATTACK, ALL THE TIME.

I mean, a pokemon with 110 speed (Ties Espeon, Gengar, Froslass) has 140 attack (Which is giagntic, tying Rhyperior and beating Salamence, Dragonite, Garchomp, etc) and 112 SpA (Beating Empoleon, Salamence, Blaziken, Houndoom, etc.). Just based on the stats alone, he's one of the most offensively powerful attackers and will demolish damn near anything.

Though I have to admit, the Kamen Rider poke (#625Kirikizan, I think), is pretty much instantly my favorite for being A KAMEN RIDER POKEMON.

Words cannot express how excited I am about the fire-ghost type. It's beautiful.

That ghost-fire type does look nice. Feels similar to Rotom, but in a good way.

I like Abagoora, the new Water/Rock turtle thing.

Oh wow! Torunerosu is our first pure flying type! Not Normal/Flying. PURE FLYING TYPE.

I want to give him Roost just to see him turn into ???? type for a round.

So guys, just learned something.

616: Chobomaki: snail wearing an iron helmet.
617: Agirudaa: Ticked-off snail ninja

588: Kaburuchi: shady-looking beetle
589: Shubarugo: bug-knight wearing an upgraded version of Chobomaki's armor.

Why does the iron-helmet snail not tun into a knight wearing the same armor?

It was intentional. To evolve Chobomaki and Kaburuchi, you have to trade one for the other. In the trading process, Kaburuchi steals Chobomaki's helmet in order to evolve, and Chobomaki is now stuck without a helmet and evolves into a really ticked-off snail.

Chobomaki evolves by stealing.

For real, or did you just make that up? Although I see what you mean, when I look at it.

That's something I heard. Two different people on a thread in Smogon responded with that explanation, at different times, to someone asking about that evolution.

And it's been mentioned on a thread in Serebii, too. I think it's legit.

Considering that bug pokemons have the most numerous types of alternative methods to evolutions, I'm not as shocked as I would normally be to hear that.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black...-pokemon-3.jpg Jörmungandr
http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black...pokemon-71.jpg Leviathan (I always name my main water Leviathan)
http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black...okemon-110.jpg Izanagi
http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black...pokemon-61.jpg Surya
http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black...okemon-141.jpg Ancalagon
http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black...pokemon-36.jpg GaoGaiGar

Elite Four, bow before me.